Little help please- name for this "finish"...

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Little help please- name for this "finish"...

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The reel on the right--- Darn it, I saw the name for this kind if finish to a reel but didn't write it down, lost the link, now forgot the name. Kind of like a holographic type of swirly pattern, like reflective tape for sticking on lures but this was part of the finish. It had a name, and I think the maker was listed. Any help appreciated. Thanks! Best---- Joe Walkowski (ORCA)

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Joe, I believe we have settled on calling that "Damascene" finish

Note; I think the term is derived from the distant similarity with patter in Damascus steel

https://www.google.com/search?q=damascu ... 70&bih=654

although it is really not put in that way on reel surfaces...perhaps the addition of the "...ene" is sufficient apology...maybe someone has a better term.
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That was it! Man, lightning fast reply, too. I thank you kind sir. Can I ask- is that particular to one reel maker, or several? Best---- Joe Walkowski (ORCA)
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"Engine turned" or "Jeweled" were other terms used for that finish.

A few makers used it.
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Thanks to both of you now! Best---- Joe Walkowski (ORCA)
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Where I come from, we would call that a "jeweled" pattern, as Brian mentioned.

Gunsmiths often decorate stainless steel revolvers with that pattern.
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Folks.

Well, I certainly don't call myself an Old Timer in ORCA, but I do recall how the great Col. Milton Lorens demonstrated how that finish could be created on a metal surface at the first ORCA National I attended in Dowagiac MI (2003?). Simply a soft tip on a bit in a drill press, as I recall.

Several Lawson Machine Works reels (made in Canada) have that pattern.

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I am gonna go with Jewelling or Engine turned instead of Damascus. I think Damascus is a complete procedure used to make knives where Jewelling is more for decoration on reels gun bolts and such. John T.
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Here are two examples of gunsmith jeweling:


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The damascene decorative technique inlays metal into metal to create intricate designs. It takes its name from the area where it was commonly used—Damascus, Syria—and is prized for its beauty and often bold colors. The first step in damascening is to cut a pattern into the substrate metal, ensuring that the sides are undercut (number 1 on the diagram shown below). Then the metal to be inlaid is cut to fit into the pattern and hammered into place (number 2). Silver, gold, and copper are common inlay metals, while brass, bronze, and steel are common substrate metal alloys.
http://www.philamuseum.org/booklets/7_43_80_1.html
False damascene (sometimes called counterfeit damascene) differs from damascene in that it is not a process of inlaying metal into metal, but instead involves applying metal on top of metal. To make a design using false damascene, a contrasting metal foil (an extremely thin, flexible sheet of metal) or wire is hammered onto a metal substrate that has been scored (scratched). Then heat is applied to strengthen the bond between the two metals. Although the name “false” or “counterfeit” damascene may give the impression that art decorated in this manner is not authentic, the nomenclature merely refers to the difference in manufacturing technique between false damascene (applied metal) and damascene (inlaid metal). Like damascened designs, those created by false damascene are characterized by their intricacy.
http://www.philamuseum.org/booklets/7_43_81_1.html
Damascening is the art of inlaying different metals into one another—typically, gold or silver into a darkly oxidized steel background—to produce intricate patterns similar to niello. The English term comes from a perceived resemblance to the rich tapestry patterns of damask silk.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damascening
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A past discussion:

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So, sounds like we have beaten Damascene and Damascus into the ground. Jeweled finish seems to be concensus.
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Hey- thanks all! When i first posted the question, I wasn't sure anyone would know the answer or take the time to share it! My bad for underestimating the knowledge on this site! I appreciate all your willingness to share, too! Question answered more than adequately! Jeweled it will be! My thanks again. Best---- Joe Walkowski (ORCA)
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Here's a video ORCA member Mike Hackney posted on YouTube back in 2011 showing how it's done: https://youtu.be/2UHX6HzIv1s Actually pretty simple and cool!
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Midway Tommy D wrote:Here's a video ORCA member Mike Hackney posted on YouTube back in 2011 showing how it's done: https://youtu.be/2UHX6HzIv1s Actually pretty simple and cool!
After watching that "COOL" video I will bet that Mr. John Elder will have a jig made and be JEWELLING reels inside of a week !!! John Taylor
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JoeW wrote:Hey- thanks all! When i first posted the question, I wasn't sure anyone would know the answer or take the time to share it! My bad for underestimating the knowledge on this site! I appreciate all your willingness to share, too! Question answered more than adequately! Jeweled it will be! My thanks again. Best---- Joe Walkowski (ORCA)
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Interesting discussion and origins of the terms and the confusion.

http://www.circuitousroot.com/artifice/ ... index.html
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Wow! Spotting, sun swirl....etc. It's amazing how something so simple can become so complicated.
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