Union Hardware Co.
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Union Hardware Co.
Does anyone know of a comprehensive list of Union Hardware models? I would think someone in the club collects them?
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I'll rephrase that: Are there any collectors of Union Hardware reels that are members of ORCA? There seems to be such little information on these reels. Even our library has only one catalog (1927). I find that quite odd, as the reels were produced throughout the 20's and 30's (perhaps even before) and right up until WWII. They are seen virtually every day on eBay, so they were likely produced in staggering numbers. Yet, aside from scant info gleaned from trade catalogs, virtually nothing is known about the different models they made (other than the common Sunnybrook, Samson and Union models). I know that four or five years ago, Dr. Todd was researching them (and their rods) for a possible forthcoming book on the company. Maybe he'll chime in.
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Mark check with Alan Baracco. He can give you a complete list of Union Hardware reel names that were trademarked. That would be a place to start. Colby
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Thanks guys. Like I was saying, just not much out there. Maybe Jim, Skip or Dr. Todd will see this.
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Ha! I stand corrected! Thanks, Alan.
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One catalog in the ORCA Library. Don't know if that would help or not. Jon
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That's the only one I've ever seen, from 1927. That alone is more than strange. Thanks, Jon.
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My understanding is that they mostly made trade reels with a few exceptions like the Sunnybrook name. The quality, or lack thereof, of their reels often make them identifiable. Mark, some years back you contributed to a fly rod discussion in which it was noted that many low-end South Bend and Montague rods were actually made by Union hardware. I can't imagine anyone collecting them, but to each their own.
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I've got a few in my collection. I would have to search for them to find them. My collection would be of Reels for those who cannot afford the very best. Mostly low end reels. Jon
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Although UH supplied numerous retailers with trade models, especially early-on, they would produce their own extensive line of UH-marked reels for at least 20 years. Probably longer. Many, if not most, seem to be low-cost models. But not all. Every now and then one surfaces that I've never seen, like a beautiful #7550 that I just came across. It's actually what got me wondering just how many different models were made and why there is simply no info on them.oc1 wrote:My understanding is that they mostly made trade reels with a few exceptions like the Sunnybrook name. The quality, or lack thereof, of their reels often make them identifiable. Mark, some years back you contributed to a fly rod discussion in which it was noted that many low-end South Bend and Montague rods were actually made by Union hardware. I can't imagine anyone collecting them, but to each their own.
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wrong99 wrote:like a beautiful #7550 that I just came across.
Mark you know better than that. Don't tease us.
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Dang... That's really nice for a Union Hardware. Here's a couple of junk models.
The advertisements do not belong to me. I stole them off the web somewhere. 1926 and 1932.
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The advertisements do not belong to me. I stole them off the web somewhere. 1926 and 1932.
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Thanks, Steve. Here's a few Trade reels that Union Hardware made during the 1920's.
An early reel made exclusively for Montgomery Ward & Co.
A "Crown Mascot" produced for Edward K. Tryon Co.
A "Pennant" brand reel for Butler Bros.
I know more about these obscure Trade reels than I do UH's regular models.
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An early reel made exclusively for Montgomery Ward & Co.
A "Crown Mascot" produced for Edward K. Tryon Co.
A "Pennant" brand reel for Butler Bros.
I know more about these obscure Trade reels than I do UH's regular models.
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Re: Union Hardware Co.
Mark,
Maybe we need to look at Union Hardware a little differently. I just recently purchased a 1926 catalog for National Hardware & Stove Company of Paris Texas. They include a page with a Sunnybrook reel in their catalog. They were a large distributing company selling to local hardware stores in the region as well as selling hardware locally. Maybe Union did not actually make any of these reels and they were just a large hardware distributor like National was in Paris Texas. This would also seem to agree with the other reels you show - they were actually not made by Union but some other reel maker. And the reason there are no trade marks registered to Union other than the one Alan posted above.
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Maybe we need to look at Union Hardware a little differently. I just recently purchased a 1926 catalog for National Hardware & Stove Company of Paris Texas. They include a page with a Sunnybrook reel in their catalog. They were a large distributing company selling to local hardware stores in the region as well as selling hardware locally. Maybe Union did not actually make any of these reels and they were just a large hardware distributor like National was in Paris Texas. This would also seem to agree with the other reels you show - they were actually not made by Union but some other reel maker. And the reason there are no trade marks registered to Union other than the one Alan posted above.
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That's an interesting thought. However, we know that Union Hardware was building steel fishing rods since the late 19th century and were likely the second-most prolific makers of bamboo rods (behind only Montague) well into the 1950's, so they were a tackle manufacturer for at least 60-70 years. Their reel boxes, like the one shown below, also proclaim them to be reel manufacturers. More questions than answers, though.
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I have been working on a Union Hardware book with Jim Garrett and Skip Brooks for a couple of years, photos of all known models (most in boxes) have been taken, but getting the text has been a slog. I could write a 400 page book on just the history of the firm there's so much info. It will come out, just don't know when ...
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Pennant was a registered trade name of Butler Bros, a very big trade house ca. 1877-1960 (see July 2011 Reel News). They sold a lot of reels marked Pennant made by a number of makers. Note the above TM is for rods only. The 1907 Butler Bros. catalog reads "Pennant goods are good merchandise. … Pennant is our brand. It stands for quality at honest prices. I marks the article on which it appears and the best that can be sold at its cost.”
Union Hardware made a number of Pennant reel models for Butler Bros. And yes, they did make reels -- a lot of them. Some of their rods were real bargains and actually cast very well. They hired a master rodmaker in 1937 to design a new line of high end rods but the war put the kibosh on that.
The really confusing thing is that there was a Union Hardware Co. that was a general wholesale hardware firm (big catalog and everything) in California with no connection to the Union Hardware Co. in Torrington. They even carried a line of sporting goods including fishing tackle!
Union Hardware made a number of Pennant reel models for Butler Bros. And yes, they did make reels -- a lot of them. Some of their rods were real bargains and actually cast very well. They hired a master rodmaker in 1937 to design a new line of high end rods but the war put the kibosh on that.
The really confusing thing is that there was a Union Hardware Co. that was a general wholesale hardware firm (big catalog and everything) in California with no connection to the Union Hardware Co. in Torrington. They even carried a line of sporting goods including fishing tackle!
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I bought a cradle reel from Brian P. a while back and from talking to Brian he seemed to think it might have been associated with Union Hardware. The reel says W. F. Hoerle , Torrington Conn. The reel has 5 1/2" side plates and is narrow I would say 9/0 size ?? It has no throw off so just loosen drag to let line out. When I googled it I came up with an auction for same reel I think and a Fly rod article about Union Hardware. Please let me know if any one knows more. Thanks John Taylor
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William Hoerle was an Inventor and likely an employee of the company (from at least the 20's to 40's). Many of his inventions were patented and assigned to the Union Hardware Co. His name is seen on numerous UH patents.
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Mark have you seen a patent for this reel or would you know where to look for one ?? John
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I looked for quite awhile, John, but came up empty.
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