More reel pics from Vincenzo Agozzino in Italy, via Facebook Messenger

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More reel pics from Vincenzo Agozzino in Italy, via Facebook Messenger

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My Facebook acquaintance Vincenzo Agozzino sent me a bunch of interesting reel pictures. The first one I am told is a really well made reel found in Bavaria near the Czech republic.



He didn't provide any description of the other pictures. There is a delicate looking US made "spinning spool" reel I have not seen before. This grouping is pretty amazing. I think he is just showing off his finds. Spinning reels, anyone?



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The "Spool=Change" was actually made in Germany. It has US Pat. Pending reference and was sold by Spool Change Co. Chicago, IL. See the top line in the bottom portion of the spool, "Made in Germany". They're from the early '50s. You don't see them often.

There are some pretty cool and unique reels in that group. :cool
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Ah, I see that now. Thanks. Looks cool and impossibly delicate.

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The first reel pictured, the one found in Bavaria near the Czech Republic is sort of amazing. A reel worthy of further research. The inner working of the gear box I find interesting. Not sure how the bail works though.

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Here is Vincenzo's description of the reel in the first pics:

"Hullo Paul look this reel .....this reel is not marked but is discovery in BAVARIA NEAR THE REPUBBLICA CEKA is a fantastic example of precision meccanics".


This morning he sent me more:



"This rris is the from lefr italy reel spem 1940 società pesca milano, in the center italy reel minerva 1930 manual pick up ,and right the unique reel luor manual pick up 1930 very rare not present in the luxor book".

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The Bavarian reel sure has a complicated gearing system compared to the status quo standby systems. I wonder why so complicated? The flip feature is what intrigues me the most. Is it for stowaway or dexterity? Interesting, to say the least. :)
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A slightly wider angle

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I'm wondering it the "flip feature" changes the reel from LH to RH.
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With the secondary straight cut drive gearing and the exposed gearing of the flip feature and the bail, it is almost as if this Bavarian discovery is a prototype reel rather than a product that would be available to the public. Very intriguing reel.
I'm wondering it the "flip feature" changes the reel from LH to RH.
No doubt, that would work; but, it is a really complicated assembly if its purpose was simply a left to right hand drive function switch.
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Vincenzo replies:

"The bavarian reel is a reversible reel but this is a prototipo for me is a complicate fishing with this but is strange and beautiful"
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Vincenzo replies:

"The bavarian reel is a reversible reel but this is a prototipo for me is a complicate fishing with this but is strange and beautiful"
Thank you for following up with Vincenzo. Using terms like strange and beautiful is a very Italian description. Feelings come from the heart in Italy, a wonderful culture. Complicated mechanics is secondary to the Art form, example, any Ferrari.
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Not sure how the bail works though.
It appears no one has noticed it's actually not a "Fixed Spool" reel. The gearing is so complex because the main gear not only oscillates the main shaft but it also transfers drive through the pinion and additional gears to rotate the main shaft and spool. With that in mind, I would surmise that the bail flip is somewhat inconsequential and only relative to which way the dexterity is set, i.e. flip LH or RH. With that thought in mind, based on the neutral photo, if you lift the foot yoke/stirrup up for LH retrieve the bail lifts up for casting and flips down for retrieve. For RH retrieve with the yoke/stirrup flipped down the bail would lift up for casting and then flips back down for retrieve.
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They are 'beautiful' . I am especially enamoured of the 3rd from left on bottom row.
Thanks V for showing.
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arley wrote:They are 'beautiful' . I am especially enamoured of the 3rd from left on bottom row.
Thanks V for showing.
Which number from the beginning, or end? The number of rows can be different depending on your screen settings.
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What an amazing collection! It's a good thing for me that I never run into any of these or I would have yet another collecting venue taking up a cabinet or two! Thanks for sharing, Vincenzo!
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I am advised that the impeller spins the bobbin so it operates in a completely different way than the rotating cup/bail method seen on modern production reels. I have asked for a video.

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Wow! That 1st one is a mechanical marvel and beautiful to look at.
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That is a unique and interesting design concept there.
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With the cup mounted into a yoke assembly, it could not spin, ,making the spinning spool necessary. A spinning reel usually has a pinion gear directly connected to the cup assembly spinning the cup. This reel has four gears in the drive train and two more gears for the bail, maybe. What I am not sure of is how the bail works.
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In a normal spinning reel the line is twisted as it is cast off the spool and the twists are reversed/removed as the rotor wraps line back on the spool. By rotating the spool to retrieve line the twists are not removed and the number of twists in the line increases (accumulates) with each successive cast and retrieve. It has the same inherent problem as a side cast reel (Malloch, Alvey, etc.).
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Remarkable spin reels! Amazing all the different ways makers were coming up with to make an efficient fixed-spool reel! Quick question- How widespread were any of those reels in the US market? What would be the chances of finding one in a flea market, antique mall, garage sale, etc? From the talk, I'm assuming pretty slim? Thanks- Best---- Joe Walkowski (WNYTC ORCA)
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Another set of reel pics just in that Vincenzo describes as a “ ... rare trench Reel this is only piece cre sen in 1935”.
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Midway Tommy D wrote:
Not sure how the bail works though.
...I would surmise that the bail flip is somewhat inconsequential and only relative to which way the dexterity is set, i.e. flip LH or RH. With that thought in mind, based on the neutral photo, if you lift the foot yoke/stirrup up for LH retrieve the bail lifts up for casting and flips down for retrieve. For RH retrieve with the yoke/stirrup flipped down the bail would lift up for casting and then flips back down for retrieve.
Yes, I almost agree, but it also appears to me that the footyoke itself is actually too small to go past-over-around the bail wire. So if one were to swing the footyoke down and around, then the bail wire would end up facing towards the posterior portion of the reel, and thusly be rendered inoperable. See pics #2 up there at the top, and then that later one taken from the front end. See what I mean? Not quite sure what the idea is there.

Really neat reels there though. Pretty ones too. Some of them seem to use the oscillating bail arm line laying thing, reminiscent of the later SeaMartin reels. Cool.

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Dr. Rob,

I think it's one of those reels you have to see in action or have in your hand to figure out exactly how it works and what the idea was behind its design. It's one of the weirdest spinning reels I've ever laid my eyes on.
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m3040c wrote:Not sure how the bail works though.
Same here. It would appear that neither end has a roller or is adapted to receive the line.... maybe the bail is manual and the gearing only flips it from one side to the other depending on whether it is RH or LH. There is no rotor, and as Tommy said, the spool rotates and oscillates.
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