Any thoughts on the maker of this reel?
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Any thoughts on the maker of this reel?
Yes, truly a challenge to keep this little 2.5" dia. Baitcaster in the game but a lot more fun than cleaning a jigmaster! So many strong signatures here, including S handle, knurled grasp, unique clicker, really unique foot, to name a few things. One other thing that might be important is that all metal is brass and so far, i have seen no sign it was ever plated!
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Re: Any thoughts on the maker of this reel?
No clue, John, but that's a neat reel. And I'm sure it will be a charmer once you've rehabbed it.
Re: Any thoughts on the maker of this reel?
Well, John, but for the unique cut out pattern on the foot, I would say the knurling on the grasp, handle and handle washer bespeaks a reel made by those in the employ of...Julius vom Hofe. It’s quite a neat little oddball.
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Would be interesting to 3d print a rubber side plate
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Good Morning John, About 25-30 years ago I too had a very similar reel in design but my reel wasn’t a multiplier. It was simply a 1 to 1 but the handle, bearings and foot were a dead ringer of yours. The side plates were similar to a salt water Meek with maybe 4 or 5 decorative rings. I cracked the plate while trying to break it down, didn’t realize the threads were reversed and the plates were relatively thin and brittle. Well I had $15 into it and sold it for parts afterwards. I do remember the guy who bought it was ecstatic. His intention was to repair it but I couldn’t see it, Oh well lesson learned. Very cool piece, Tight Lines Nick
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Re: Any thoughts on the maker of this reel?
Thanks to all!
-Mike, I just can't put any of the features with any Julius I've encountered, but he certainly tried a lot of things.
-Matt, interesting idea...I wish I knew exactly what the composition of this material is...and speaking of which...
-Nick...the reels certainly have "brittle" in common and also likely share origin in your area of the world. I have searched Malleson with no luck, but will try Shipley...thanks for the leads!
-Mike, I just can't put any of the features with any Julius I've encountered, but he certainly tried a lot of things.
-Matt, interesting idea...I wish I knew exactly what the composition of this material is...and speaking of which...
-Nick...the reels certainly have "brittle" in common and also likely share origin in your area of the world. I have searched Malleson with no luck, but will try Shipley...thanks for the leads!
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Re: Any thoughts on the maker of this reel?
since it doesn't show any oxidation (like ebonite), I would guess bakelite.
If you want to turn replacement side plates, consider Delrin.
hardware store Shipley? If so, I would guess trade reels from elsewhere.
If you want to turn replacement side plates, consider Delrin.
hardware store Shipley? If so, I would guess trade reels from elsewhere.
Re: Any thoughts on the maker of this reel?
John- as you can see above, I wasn’t totally sold on my JVH guess when I made it. The bakelite/rubber (old rubber bands get brittle too; ultraviolet light from the sun and heat breaks up the polymer chains.) sides & knurled hardware say NY or NJ to me. I looked at a few dozen Cozzone and Holzmann foot patterns and couldn’t find one to match yours. Very interesting.john elder wrote:Thanks to all!
-Mike, I just can't put any of the features with any Julius I've encountered, but he certainly tried a lot of things.
-Matt, interesting idea...I wish I knew exactly what the composition of this material is...and speaking of which...
-Nick...the reels certainly have "brittle" in common and also likely share origin in your area of the world. I have searched Malleson with no luck, but will try Shipley...thanks for the leads!
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Re: Any thoughts on the maker of this reel?
The foot looks home made. It isn’t symmetrical and the tool marks underneath are pretty rough. Nice mystery!
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Re: Any thoughts on the maker of this reel?
Paul, i think the foot just looks assymeyrical because there's a chip out of one end an the screws are not all in the same amount. Its actually nicely made and in hand, does not look amateurish.
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Re: Any thoughts on the maker of this reel?
Paul M wrote:The foot looks home made. It isn’t symmetrical and the tool marks underneath are pretty rough. Nice mystery!
Mu guess is you are both right.John Elder wrote:Paul, i think the foot just looks asymmetrical because there's a chip out of one end an the screws are not all in the same amount. Its actually nicely made and in hand, does not look amateurish.
Looks to me like a well made reel by a hobbyist.
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Re: Any thoughts on the maker of this reel?
Why are we old-timers so pansophical that we have to label any reel we haven't seen before as home-made, or a prototype, or a one-off by a Vom Hofe, Kopf, or Malleson? There were other makers on the planet in them thar days, just as there have been lots of little reelmaking companies in the U.S. since WWII. I doubt we've heard of them all. My guess is that the fragmented reel in question was made by some relatively small maker here or, heaven forbid, by a non-domestic maker.
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thisSteve wrote:Why are we old-timers so pansophical that we have to label any reel we haven't seen before as home-made, or a prototype, or a one-off by a Vom Hofe, Kopf, or Malleson? There were other makers on the planet in them thar days, just as there have been lots of little reelmaking companies in the U.S. since WWII. I doubt we've heard of them all. My guess is that the fragmented reel in question was made by some relatively small maker here or, heaven forbid, by a non-domestic maker.
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I agree. How small is the question. 100 reels? 5 reels?Steve wrote: My guess is that the fragmented reel in question was made by some relatively small maker here or, heaven forbid, by a non-domestic maker.
How many reels = maker ?
How many reels = hobbyist ?
Just semantics.
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Re: Any thoughts on the maker of this reel?
I know somewhere in the dark past I have seen a reel with that dished out rear bearing cover and click button with the nipples in their center.
Mike, in your defense, I do see a little JvH in the handle's counterbalance.
As to the maker, I tend to agree with Mr. Vernon, it is most likely the concoction of Mr. Seymour Likum or one of his contemporaries whose names may be forever lost to the ages. So let this be a lesson to you kids out there, always mark the reels that you make very clearly with your name cause you never know, a group of collector types may "get all pedantic" about them some day!
Mike, in your defense, I do see a little JvH in the handle's counterbalance.
As to the maker, I tend to agree with Mr. Vernon, it is most likely the concoction of Mr. Seymour Likum or one of his contemporaries whose names may be forever lost to the ages. So let this be a lesson to you kids out there, always mark the reels that you make very clearly with your name cause you never know, a group of collector types may "get all pedantic" about them some day!
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Re: Any thoughts on the maker of this reel?
Yeah, but Ed....we'd just say it was some owner's name
I will say that if a one-off or small maker, I would be thrilled if I can develop the skills to make a reel this neat...I'll just learn from the experience and employ different side plate material. In that area, even the best had their issues with what to use for the side plates. Stead often used Catalin for his side plates, with less-than-stellar results!
I will say that if a one-off or small maker, I would be thrilled if I can develop the skills to make a reel this neat...I'll just learn from the experience and employ different side plate material. In that area, even the best had their issues with what to use for the side plates. Stead often used Catalin for his side plates, with less-than-stellar results!
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Re: Any thoughts on the maker of this reel?
The same will be said in the future regarding today's use of PVC when exposed to the elements.john elder wrote:Yeah, but Ed....we'd just say it was some owner's name
I will say that if a one-off or small maker, I would be thrilled if I can develop the skills to make a reel this neat...I'll just learn from the experience and employ different side plate material. In that area, even the best had their issues with what to use for the side plates. Stead often used Catalin for his side plates, with less-than-stellar results!
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Re: Any thoughts on the maker of this reel?
(1) 1" to 1.5" diameter(1) How small is the question. 100 reels? 5 reels?
(2) How many reels = maker ?
(3) How many reels = hobbyist ?
(2 & 3) One each, as far as I'm concerned. "Maker" and "hobbyist" are not mutually exclusive. And either could be a "seller." Should we strike (George) Snyder from our maker lists? He and the boys made maybe two-dozen reels. And how many did Howard & Sievers make? Sage? Norris? Size (of production) isn't everything.
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Steve wrote:(1) 1" to 1.5" diameter
Like I said, its more about semantics.
Take a guy like Edward Hewitt, who made 22 reels for friends and family, but made none for the market.
Making the reels certainly qualifys him as a reel maker ...but is he considered a reel maker ?
Just playing devils advocate here ...I've no horse in the race.
Maybe it is a simple as "make a reel and you are a reel maker".
If that's the case ...I'm a mason, electrician, plumber, painter, roofer and a carpenter, among other trades.
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reeltackle wrote: Mike, in your defense, I do see a little JvH in the handle's counterbalance.
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The only difference between amateur and professional is intent and frame of mind. He should have been proud of that one.
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For example...lots of little reelmaking companies in the U.S. since WWII. I doubt we've heard of them all.
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Well, I probably wouldn't use it for other than Shelf Fish, but our little mystery reel turned into a pretty nice One-Footer:
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Dr. Elder, you are a magician. What an incredible restoration.
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In a word - WOW!!
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