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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:47 pm 
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Bought this Reel several years back on E-Bay. Arrived with broken internal parts. Didn't plan to use it so didn't bother to do anything with it. Then John Elder retired. Sent it to him to see what he could do, it came back better than new. The reel had no heart , no liver or gizzard, but when it come's to repairing reels, John is nothing short of a Wizard!!!! Thanks Deke.


Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:53 pm 
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Amen!


Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:18 pm 
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Thanks for the pats, Jon! It was a fun project with a good outcome...sometimes, not so much! :shock:


Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:33 am 
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 7:24 am 
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pretty cool little reel with a roller-bearing clutch


Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:15 am 
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Clutch? Roller bearing? I see what looks like a drag (of a design I don't think I've seen before) and a clicker. Ron, can you put some arrows on something so I can follow your thoughts, or otherwise explain? Thanks. Also, of what material was the broken, replaced part made?


Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:28 am 
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I've rebuilt several of these counting Precisionbilt Mosquito - never had to R/R a phenolic brake arm - they definitely have a roller bearing clutch inside the drag gear.
here you go, you can see the roller bearing quite well
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:42 am 
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Sid, the material they used is basically the stuff used for electronic circuit boards...pressed linen aka micarta. The modern version was used for the replacement. I made it a bit oversized in order to add strength so that the next ham hands that tries to over-tighten the drag won't break the drag arms again. I'm sure Jon would know better anyway! :D

Note:....the modern version of the pressed linen is sold as "Delrin" (OOPS....see below)


Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:01 am 
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Delrin is a great material, and less expensive than the phenolic. (no offense, but Delrin is not fiber-reinforced)
I used a Delrin bar to make a skeg mounting bracket on my daughter's kayak. The bar cost me $30, and the same bar in phenolic was twice the price. Denrin is also easier to work with basic tools (though I discovered it's hard enough you can't mill it with a drill bit - need a real end mill)
I calculated it would take a 250-lb load on the skeg to bend the bracket at the top mounting bolt, which is a pretty long lever. Delrin plastic is basically the same strength as aluminum pot metal.
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Larry Valentine offers a Delrin gearset upgrade for his planetary fly reel, which I took advantage, and they're super-smooth, never need lube, and won't ever corrode.
Ron Kusse uses Delrin for the side plates (in place of ebonite) on his Leonard Mills
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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:17 pm 
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None taken, Ron....I mis-wrote....the material I used is a phenolic resin...modern version of micarta, now Delrin. Not sure there is a modern name for it. If you ask for micarta, this is the material that's available.

I think the confusion re the roller bearing is that most people envision a full roller bearing in a race when they hear that term. This just has the one bearing that acts as an anti-reverse. There's a name for it that was posted when i showed the workings of a one-off reel that employed three such bearings to do that action....have to dig for that post, unless someone recalls the term.


Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:20 pm 
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roller-bearing clutches work well, but you have to lube them with a high-viscosity oil such as 30W or Phil Tenacious.
Marryat uses them in their 1980 design (3 cylindrical rollers), which is really very similar to this reel.

here's the starting place on McMaster for finding plastic
https://www.mcmaster.com/#plastics/=1a2yywl


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Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:23 pm 
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Ah, here tis: Dr Rob referred to this as an " Instant antireverse roller-ramp clutch"

That one was more elaborate,but served a similar role;



Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:26 pm 
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exact same idea - it rolls into a wedge and can't roll anymore - go the other direction and it's free.

Back to the phenolic- the advantage of the FRP composite is it has greater bending resistance in thinner sections, and also why I considered it on the kayak skeg bracket with my available mounting holes (the sealed well-nut holes were already there for a roller wheel - not that the 44 lb kayak needs a wheel).

If for some obtuse reason the skeg project interests you, and you have photobucket hotlink fix add-on for your Chrome or Firefox browser, here are the complete details on the skeg project -
http://www.texaskayakfisherman.com/foru ... 3&t=176920


Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:06 am 
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john elder wrote:Sid, the material they used is basically the stuff used for electronic circuit boards...pressed linen aka micarta. The modern version was used for the replacement. I made it a bit oversized in order to add strength so that the next ham hands that tries to over-tighten the drag won't break the drag arms again. I'm sure Jon would know better anyway! :D

Note:....the modern version of the pressed linen is sold as "Delrin" (OOPS....see below)

Thanks, John. That's what it looks like, but I was having a brain fart and couldn't place it.... same stuff as the undergear washer in 40's and 50's Penn reels. Delrin has taken it's place also.


Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:42 am 
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here's the closest thing in current materials - it's expensive
https://www.mcmaster.com/#8474k115/=1a3eo2v
had to pick a thickness to get the link, so I randomly picked 1/16"
but it's twice as strong as Delrin

Delrin in the same thickness, for comparison (and only 1/12 the sheet area - but it's available in smaller pieces)
https://www.mcmaster.com/#8575k111/=1a3epph


Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:02 am 
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Ron Mc wrote:here's the starting place on McMaster for finding plastic
https://www.mcmaster.com/#plastics/=1a2yywl


No wonder I have so much trouble identifying what type of plastic/nylon/etc. is being used! :loco:


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