Hi guys! I've got a question for those of you that have been at this longer than i have. At what point does a reel become vintage collectable?
15 yrs. plus? 20 yrs. plus? I'm sure this is one of those questions like restoration that causes some contraversy among members but there are a lot of reels out there that i could purchase for a great price before they become collectable but i don't want to hang on to them for ever before they come of age. Thank's
Vintage is an era of time ie; 20s vintage etc., etc., I think the person
who can expound on this terminology is PHIL WHITE, c`mon Phil let us
have it ! Both Barrels if you will, we`re all waiting.
The US Customs service defined an antique as any item over 100 years old--this was in the 1930s. As far as I know that is how many established dealers define the word. There is an interesting discussion of this word here:
Vintage is one of those nothing terms; a "vintage" item to someone in their 20s is different from that of someone in their 70s. It is all about perspective. It originated with wine makers, of course, but as the following link shows, there is an enormous gap in the way people define it:
Collectable is also in the eye of the beholder. Some people think Beanie Babies are collectable and will pay hundreds of dollars for an item, and would think you crazy for spending the same amount on a fishing reel. I once watched in horror one dealer in Rantoul, IL at a flea market sell $10,000 in Beanie Babies in one morning (100 of a certain "rare" beanie for $100 each, when I came back he had sold out)...
Todd: I don't agree with that definition of Vintage. I wrote an article about that many years ago, but I had my say then.
To become collectible all you need is two people to decide to collect an item. I am currently into newer reels than I ever thought would interest me and I've found lots of other "collectors" after the same things I want.
"Antique" may denote century-old things in circumstances covered by a legal definition, but in general usage, it just means "earlier" or "old." On eBay, it simply means "Manufactured before I listed it."
"Vintage" is essentially meaningless unless it's used with reference to a particular time period, as Jack indicated.
This is exactly why i asked the question. For the most part reels are described as vintage if they were made prior to 1970, but recently the term is being used for reels made in the 80's. I guess that since we are in the year 2005 some kind of line has to be drawn as to when something can be called vintage , just as they do for cars. Right or wrong
Tony: As Steve says in his post, and I wrote about 6 years ago, vintage has to relate to a time period. It is correct to say "2000 vintage" or "1995 vintage" or "vintage 1990". It is incorrect to say a reel is "vintage", with no reference to what vintage.
I even had a long discussion with the guy in charge of the sporting division of eBay over their use of the classification "sporting> fishing> vintage". It means nothing.
Well I was always told the French used it as a special type of Wine, certain grapes etc were of a period and time of grapes no longer grown or as not the same! the along came California, and my soicial studies teacher used the term pre automobile and airiplane and post auto and airplane seems as if the exhaust fumes from leaded gasoline etc ruined the grapes . anyway could be the exhaust fumes has riuned the reels! or the seller may have been exposed to the fumes, or just a bad use if the word, uneducated idiots todays so called education,and not knowing how to use a dictonary? Antique in this country is as another poster said and coustoms still use it is 100 years ie 1905 2005 , yikes I got a lot of antiques It was told to me anything 100 years brfore being born! And realy will it make much differance? If we like it we atempt to own it if not someone else will! Now I am going to find a block of ice to sit on as its only 5 above and ice is 32 above! Col. Milton lorens aka SWIM JIG in the OHIO Tundra!
You Wine drinkers should have the word "Vintage", down pat! You know, "MD 20-20, Vintage 2004, "Boon's Fram, Vintage 20o3, "Musketel" 2005, etc.. And the word 'Antique" is when you are tryin' to sell something to someone that is younger the Item for sale.
Harvy did you know that your pic on this site is xed out? as for the consunption of spirts vintage or other types never did induldge, I am mean enough so dont need any help, however just because I dont use the stuff is no reson for not knowing about it! anyway put your shakespere back in and drop the red X Col. M Lorens in frozen OHIO aka SWIM JIG
I agree with your use of the term "vintage"--I guess I should have been more specific. What I meant was that vintage as it is commonly used is a nothing term. When I said a vintage item is different depending on age, I was referring to the misuse of the term as a synonym for "old". The problem is that vintage is both a noun and an adjective. As a noun, vintage has two meanings, either referring to grapes or in its "informal" use to a) A group or collection of people or things sharing certain characteristics; b) A year or period of origin: a car of 1942 vintage; c) Length of existence; age.
As an adjective, it is defined as follows: a) Of or relating to a vintage; b) Characterized by excellence, maturity, and enduring appeal; classic; c) Old or outmoded.
Your definition of vintage (like Steve's) is technically precise, which is what one would expect from people who have both an understanding of history and a knowledge of vernacular. Most people simply misuse the term (or use it vaguely) and interchange freely between adjective and noun, thus rendering the precise meaning of the word moot. You are exactly right in the way you use it; most people mean something else when they use the word "vintage." Are they really saying "Enduring Classic Reel For Sale" when they advertise "Vintage 1970s Reel For Sale, Missing Handle?"
Now i'me more confused than ever. I agree that items are better off being described as old or used or definately 'classic; but even the word classic usually has some sort of time frame attached to it. I guess the Col. is right in saying that if you like it buy it and i guess if enough people buy the same type of item, then it becomes collectable. Thank's!
This is fun. As Humpty Dumpty told Alice, "When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less." I'm reminded of discussions back in the 1950s about whether a particular "vintage" automobile was a Classic or merely Special Interest. Of course, some of the cars that were new issue back when those discussions were raging have since become classics...
USA John! you be the judge of this! It saves me typing all these thoughts with the HPC method! I PUSH and 44&1/9 words are said ha ho ha < As for coffee boiling away, thats what my help does brings fresh coffee, we dont alow brewing in the (RAT HOLE) you see, the aroma would get to the reels, they in turn would get wirred, then when I tried to work on them they would do the (JAVA JIG) and somones reel would get mared by a sharp screwdriver, and scratch the finish! Use the ICONS there are alot of new ones, and you can read? if so hold on them and they expalin themselfs! Again back to the coffee I like it a wee bit stout, and if a part off of a reel fell in , well it would desolve! now wher was I when I started to answere your Question, tes I see I answered it! Your under snow OHIO CONECTION Col. M. Lorens aka SWIM JIG and Harvy you still gota a red X wher you alls pic used to be!
USA yes harvy its back , if you hits de wrongs butons thingsa geta gona ? yesa noa? And thes new icons are very nice! now I will go to the weegeeboard to see if I can get rid of this snow, look out Harve , I will send it your way ha ha ho Your snowed under ohio conection Col. M LORENS aka SWIM &frozen JIG
Antique is accepted by various organizations as 100 years, a few have tried to define it to 75 years.
Vintage refers to a period of time, similar to using circa. You can have a Vintage 2002 reel.
Usually when using the word folks are refering to it being similar to other things from a period.
I have seen folks try to say vintage means it is from the 1970s or before, but in reallity it is a wine maker's term and just refers to when the items was made, with a time given separatly.
I questioned a seller on E-Bay when he listed a reel made in 1958 as an antique and his responce was that anything older than he was is what he considered an antique. I said no more.
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Hi guys! I've got a question for those of you that have been at this longer than i have. At what point does a reel become vintage collectable?
Well I was always told the French used it as a special type of Wine, certain grapes etc were of a period and time of grapes no longer grown or as not the same! the along came California, and my soicial studies teacher used the term pre automobile and airiplane and post auto and airplane seems as if the exhaust fumes from leaded gasoline etc ruined the grapes . anyway could be the exhaust fumes has riuned the reels! or the seller may have been exposed to the fumes, or just a bad use if the word, uneducated idiots todays so called education,and not knowing how to use a dictonary? Antique in this country is as another poster said and coustoms still use it is 100 years ie 1905 2005 , yikes I got a lot of antiques It was told to me anything 100 years brfore being born! And realy will it make much differance? If we like it we atempt to own it if not someone else will! Now I am going to find a block of ice to sit on as its only 5 above and ice is 32 above! Col. Milton lorens aka SWIM JIG in the OHIO Tundra!
USA John! you be the judge of this! It saves me typing all these thoughts with the HPC method! I PUSH and 44&1/9 words are said ha ho ha < As for coffee boiling away, thats what my help does brings fresh coffee, we dont alow brewing in the (RAT HOLE) you see, the aroma would get to the reels, they in turn would get wirred, then when I tried to work on them they would do the (JAVA JIG) and somones reel would get mared by a sharp screwdriver, and scratch the finish! Use the ICONS there are alot of new ones, and you can read? if so hold on them and they expalin themselfs! Again back to the coffee I like it a wee bit stout, and if a part off of a reel fell in , well it would desolve! now wher was I when I started to answere your Question, tes I see I answered it! Your under snow OHIO CONECTION Col. M. Lorens aka SWIM JIG and Harvy you still gota a red X wher you alls pic used to be!
