This past November I posted on Reel Talk a picture of a Pflueger Atlapac 6/0 reel which I added to my collection. The picture is still posted there. I must now sell this reel and I'm asking $350 shipped. Let me know if interested. You can also view the reel at:
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~tjolds/i ... tlapac.jpg
Terry Olds
Atlapac 6/0 for sale
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nice reel
This 6/0 is a beautiful reel and very fairly priced. I do not think you will have any problem selling it. I almost wish I need this size but unforntunately I do not. Can anyone tell me the sizes of all the Pflueger Altapac's? The sizes I would be interested in would be 3/0, 5/0, 10/0, 12/0, 14/0 or 16/0.
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ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL...!
Thank you Brian, you did not have to do that but I am glad you did. There is something special about Pflueger's... They have their own unique appearance,ergonomics and artistic touches. That is some nice little collection you have there, boxes, bags and paper too!. I am duely impressed.
I just won a Pflueger Templar 1420.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... %3AIT&rd=1
I have not received it yet but I am looking foward to it. I have yet to find a Altapac. My big game series collection is still missing a 4/0. I was going to fill that spot with a Mitchell 1040 but lost my last two attempts at one . Your have changed my direction for the 4/0. I will now look for a Pflueger 4/0. Thanks again. You do not know it, but because of you I bid on the Templar. You were describing it to another member in a recent post and mentioned that it was a bit smaller than a 9/0 so I created a 8/0 and a 1/2 spot for it in my collection.
Hey, BTW, I spent 8 hours fishing a Party Boat (Head Boat) the other day and made a new friend. Laurie Bingham. She was great company.
Thanks again Brian,
Mike
Thank you Brian, you did not have to do that but I am glad you did. There is something special about Pflueger's... They have their own unique appearance,ergonomics and artistic touches. That is some nice little collection you have there, boxes, bags and paper too!. I am duely impressed.
I just won a Pflueger Templar 1420.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... %3AIT&rd=1
I have not received it yet but I am looking foward to it. I have yet to find a Altapac. My big game series collection is still missing a 4/0. I was going to fill that spot with a Mitchell 1040 but lost my last two attempts at one . Your have changed my direction for the 4/0. I will now look for a Pflueger 4/0. Thanks again. You do not know it, but because of you I bid on the Templar. You were describing it to another member in a recent post and mentioned that it was a bit smaller than a 9/0 so I created a 8/0 and a 1/2 spot for it in my collection.
Hey, BTW, I spent 8 hours fishing a Party Boat (Head Boat) the other day and made a new friend. Laurie Bingham. She was great company.
Thanks again Brian,
Mike
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Has anyone ever seen an all German silver 9/0 Atlapac? I have seen the 4/0 and 6/0 in German Silver but never the 9/0. My guess is they made the 4/0 and 6/0 first and then added the 9/0 to the line a few years later. Perhaps during those first years prior to adding the 9/0 they made the German silver reels. Does anyone have any further info on this? Also, which came first, the metal Atlapac boxes of the composit boxes?
Thanks!
Ed
Thanks!
Ed
Ed,
The 6/0 was in the 1929 catalog and the 4/0 and 9/0 showed up in 1931. The 9/0 in the photo above is german silver with no nickel plating and I believe it came that way, like the ones you've seen. These all german silver models are an earlier version and the interesting thing is that they came with sort of a clear coating that I've never heard anyone identify. I don't know the exact year but they seemed to switch from putting this clear coating on to using a bright nickel plating maybe around 1934 or so, when they did some other changes to the handle knobs and feet also.
If you find these reels in polished german silver today, I feel it's likely one of two things: Either it was an earlier version that had the clear coating that either wore off and was polished off or it is a later version with the bright nickel plating polished off down to the base metal. The base metal on the Templar and Atlapacs are actually german silver.
The fiber box is earlier and it also seems they switched to the tin about the same time with all the other changes.
The 6/0 was in the 1929 catalog and the 4/0 and 9/0 showed up in 1931. The 9/0 in the photo above is german silver with no nickel plating and I believe it came that way, like the ones you've seen. These all german silver models are an earlier version and the interesting thing is that they came with sort of a clear coating that I've never heard anyone identify. I don't know the exact year but they seemed to switch from putting this clear coating on to using a bright nickel plating maybe around 1934 or so, when they did some other changes to the handle knobs and feet also.
If you find these reels in polished german silver today, I feel it's likely one of two things: Either it was an earlier version that had the clear coating that either wore off and was polished off or it is a later version with the bright nickel plating polished off down to the base metal. The base metal on the Templar and Atlapacs are actually german silver.
The fiber box is earlier and it also seems they switched to the tin about the same time with all the other changes.
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Brian,
Thanks for getting back with me on this. I have seen the coating on the reels and I have no idea what it is either.
I agree the earlier 4/0 and 6/0 reels were nickle silver and later were plated. However, are you sure that the non plated 9/0s are German silver? I always thought they were made from another similar metal. Even with their coating gone the 9/0s never seem to mellow with age as do the 4/0s and 6/0s.
Ed
Thanks for getting back with me on this. I have seen the coating on the reels and I have no idea what it is either.
I agree the earlier 4/0 and 6/0 reels were nickle silver and later were plated. However, are you sure that the non plated 9/0s are German silver? I always thought they were made from another similar metal. Even with their coating gone the 9/0s never seem to mellow with age as do the 4/0s and 6/0s.
Ed
Ed,
I'm probably getting mixed up here and although I know they are similar, I'm hoping someone will remind/correct me about the differences again as I've said german silver when I meant nickel silver. The papers that come with the earlier reels say "solid nickel silver" parts and then later models say "polished Diamolite on nickel silver". I'm pretty sure Diamolite was the term for their brighter, harder nickel finish. I don't know why 9/0s would "age" differently but maybe they did use some other material like german silver.
I'm probably getting mixed up here and although I know they are similar, I'm hoping someone will remind/correct me about the differences again as I've said german silver when I meant nickel silver. The papers that come with the earlier reels say "solid nickel silver" parts and then later models say "polished Diamolite on nickel silver". I'm pretty sure Diamolite was the term for their brighter, harder nickel finish. I don't know why 9/0s would "age" differently but maybe they did use some other material like german silver.
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Hi Brian,
As far as I know nickel silver and German silver are one and the same. Both German Silver and nickel silver are made up of a combination of brass and nickel. I have heard that the terminology changed because of W.W.I or W.W.II, kind of like Ashaway ditching the swastika at the onset of W.W.II, but I do not know if this is correct. Kind of an act of political correctness of the day. Perhaps the difference is the content of nickel vs. brass. For instance more nickel in the formula would equal nickel silver or some variation on that theme. Don't know!
Yes, the brochure says nickel silver parts but I still have my doubts that the metal rims, spool and other exterior parts of the 9/0 Atlapac are nickel silver or German silver or whatever. They never seem to dull down as nickel silver should. I have seen 4/0s and 6/0s dulled down to a nice patina but never the exterior of a 9/0. The inside of an Atlapac certainly contains NS or GS. The inside is the best part of the reel!
I wonder if there is some kind of test you could do on it to determine?
Ed
As far as I know nickel silver and German silver are one and the same. Both German Silver and nickel silver are made up of a combination of brass and nickel. I have heard that the terminology changed because of W.W.I or W.W.II, kind of like Ashaway ditching the swastika at the onset of W.W.II, but I do not know if this is correct. Kind of an act of political correctness of the day. Perhaps the difference is the content of nickel vs. brass. For instance more nickel in the formula would equal nickel silver or some variation on that theme. Don't know!
Yes, the brochure says nickel silver parts but I still have my doubts that the metal rims, spool and other exterior parts of the 9/0 Atlapac are nickel silver or German silver or whatever. They never seem to dull down as nickel silver should. I have seen 4/0s and 6/0s dulled down to a nice patina but never the exterior of a 9/0. The inside of an Atlapac certainly contains NS or GS. The inside is the best part of the reel!
I wonder if there is some kind of test you could do on it to determine?
Ed
According to a 1923 text on alloys:
"German silver" and "nickel silver" are/were generic terms for "a bewildering number of alloys." "Alloys containing copper, nickel, and zinc could be termed 'nickel brasses'." Such alloys were in use in China and Europe before a couple of Germans came up with useful formulations in the 1820s. The alloys were manufactured elsewhere in Europe, too, and came to be known as "German silver." Subsequently, other high-nickel brasses were devised, and usage of both the "German-" and "nickel-" terms spread and their precise definitions, if any, lost precision.*
According to a 1940 Pflueger catalog:
"'Diamolite' is our trade name for an Extra Heavy Chromium Plating of the highest quality."
and, just in case:
"Diamalloy is a special metal developed by our engineers--highly resistant to wear and rustproof, even in salt water."
(My guess is that the alloy was a "knockoff" of Monel, allowing Enterprise to avoid paying licensing fees or whatever.)
* Ironically, ball bearings were gaining precision during the same period.
"German silver" and "nickel silver" are/were generic terms for "a bewildering number of alloys." "Alloys containing copper, nickel, and zinc could be termed 'nickel brasses'." Such alloys were in use in China and Europe before a couple of Germans came up with useful formulations in the 1820s. The alloys were manufactured elsewhere in Europe, too, and came to be known as "German silver." Subsequently, other high-nickel brasses were devised, and usage of both the "German-" and "nickel-" terms spread and their precise definitions, if any, lost precision.*
According to a 1940 Pflueger catalog:
"'Diamolite' is our trade name for an Extra Heavy Chromium Plating of the highest quality."
and, just in case:
"Diamalloy is a special metal developed by our engineers--highly resistant to wear and rustproof, even in salt water."
(My guess is that the alloy was a "knockoff" of Monel, allowing Enterprise to avoid paying licensing fees or whatever.)
* Ironically, ball bearings were gaining precision during the same period.
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Steve,
Monel was hard to work with but I think you are on the right track. If you have seen the Hardy Bros "Zane Grey" reels they were made of monel and often had a pitted type look about them right out of their beautiful leather cases, reason, hard to machine monel. I wonder if we have a metallurgist in the club?
Monel was hard to work with but I think you are on the right track. If you have seen the Hardy Bros "Zane Grey" reels they were made of monel and often had a pitted type look about them right out of their beautiful leather cases, reason, hard to machine monel. I wonder if we have a metallurgist in the club?
Why yes, I believe we have one or two...maybe they just have not popped in lately to see this but should any moment now...any moment now...any moment now...reeltackle wrote:...I wonder if we have a metallurgist in the club?
Monel, I'd never thought of that. They don't seem to age like the other monel reels I've seen, ie Perez surfcasters. Maybe I'll take a closer look at the two.
Great context with the ball bearings, Steve.
Footnote to above messages
Monel was patented in 1906 by Ambrose Monell, NYC. Like nickel silver, it consists mostly of copper and nickel, but in widely different proportions, and instead of zinc, it contains some other stuff like iron.
Anyway, it was produced by the Monel Metal Corp., but I have no idea how long they had a lock on the formula. In addition to the machining problems Ed mentioned, it required higher furnace temperatures than most brass foundries used, and it was very difficult to cast. By 1923, it was already being used in golf clubs, some of which may still be resisting corrosion at the bottoms of ponds on courses from sea to shining sea.
Anyway, it was produced by the Monel Metal Corp., but I have no idea how long they had a lock on the formula. In addition to the machining problems Ed mentioned, it required higher furnace temperatures than most brass foundries used, and it was very difficult to cast. By 1923, it was already being used in golf clubs, some of which may still be resisting corrosion at the bottoms of ponds on courses from sea to shining sea.
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