Anyone have a Shakes. Standard Prof. 1753?

[colby sorrells]

Anyone have a Shakespeare Standard Professional 1753 baitcaster? I need the diameter and length of the reel if possible. Photos would be great also. Any help greatly appreciated.

Keepin' It Fun!

Colby

[Carl Corey]

Colby, the Standard Professional 1753 is the same size as the Standard Professional 23053, at 3 inches wide from head to tail plate and 2 inches across the head or tail plate. The five digit system was based on the diameter of the spool and the length of the pillars - for the 23053 this was "2" = 1 1/2" diameter spool and "30" = 1 7/8" pillars or 100 yd size (taken from Eric Jeska's "Shakespeare Reel Codes"). Shakespeare went to a four digit system from the 5 digit system around 1924, as I have seen 1924 Model reels using either the 5 digit or a 4 digit code.

I have not seen an explanation of the four digit code, but considering the waning popularity of the of the non-level wind reel (except for in particular instances), and the increasing number of level wind models produced by Shakespeare, I believe the "17" stood for a non-level wind reel and that the "53" stood for the 100 yard size of the Standard Professional. Post 1924 Model year Standard Professionals have "1753" for 100 yard models and "1755" for 150 yard models.

I can pull together some pics if you want them.

[colby sorrells]

Photos would be great.

I'm trying to establish what the diameter and length of the 1753 actually was. I have the catelogs and know what they show. BUT, the information for the 1754 and 1755 does not agree with the catalogs, particularly the 1754. So I'm trying to establish what the measurements actualy were for the 1753 based off an actual reel, not what the catalog states.

Keepin' It Fun!

Colby

[Eric J]

In the early days of the 4 digit system, 17 was for tournament reels (prior to that the 1762 was the Style B and the 1862 was for the Style A and the 62 indicated a line capacity of 60 yds) later the last two digit were the reel model number (62 was the Kalamazoo). #19 was the originally the Marhoff and because it was 100 yds, it was 1964, and so the Kalamazoo was the 1962.
18 was fly reels, and 19 was any reel that used the Marhoff level-wind.
It is confusing until you sort them out by date made. I think even later the 17’s were the closed face spinning reels.

[Carl Corey]

OK, will try a few pics.



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Four reels. L to R are 23053 Standard Professional, 1912 Model; 23053 Standard Professional, Model 1924; Standard Professional 1753, Model 31; and Standard Professional 1753, Model HK. All are the same size.

Another thing since this was too easy - the "Professional" non-level wind reel also had the 23053 five number code - it is the same size but usually had a different pillar arrangement.

Now we're having fun - 1755 next.

[Carl Corey]

Five reels this time;


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Left to Right - Standard Professional 43053, 1912 Model; Standard Professional 1754, Model 1924; Standard Professional 1755, Model 26; Standard Professional Free Spool 1755, Model HJ; and a Standard Professional Free Spool 1755, Model GA. All are 2 1/2" wide and 2 1/4" across the end plates.

Basically, the 43053 or 150 yard size became the 1754 (only for the 1924 Model Year???) and then the 1755 for later years. I'm not sure how the catalogs cover this, but I know that through the research of the Criterion 1960 I've done, you can't depend on the catalogs always being the best source for what was actually produced (sorry to say).

[colby sorrells]

Now we are having fun!!! I can't thank you enough Carl for posting the photos. They are a great help.

Keepin' It Fun!

Colby

[Carl Corey]

On the use of the "17" as part of the Shakespeare's several numbering schemes, Eric, you are of course, right (for the most part). The only place that I would argue that the 17 represents non-level wind reels in general is between about the 1924 Model and the early 1940's. I've based that not on catalogs but on the Shakespeare Reel Repair Parts Price List (Effective June 1, 1940)

Here, there is a list for Non-level winding reels (all reels theoretically produced up until that time). Besides the 5 digit code it gives the four digit code starting with "17XX" for non-level winding reels:





After WWII, we know that non-level wind reel production basically went away, and other types of reels picked up the "17".

OK, I'm done now. This took a whole lot more time than I had figured on as I now need to figure out an easier way to dumb my camera down so it doesn't take pics over 2MB.

Carl

[Eric J]

I said it was confusing! I’ve always been amazed that Shakespeare could keep track of all those parts for all of those reels over so many years with all the model number changes. I just have to remind myself that they weren’t doing it for us collectors. It must have been a nightmare and headache for them and the dealers.