Red Penn Delmar 285

ReelMan1988 · Post by **ReelMan1988** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:08 pm

That's collecting! If it's one of a kind, I don't care who you are, if you want it bad. You'll do anything to get it. That's a hardcore collector!

BAP-62 · Post by **BAP-62** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:32 pm

ReelMan1988 wrote:That's collecting! If it's one of a kind, I don't care who you are, if you want it bad. You'll do anything to get it. That's a hardcore collector!

You will learn that you can't go thru life fishing off everyone you meet.

fishbugman · Post by **fishbugman** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:52 pm

BAP-62 wrote:LOL That was great. Looks like we have more than one person in here that will do whatever it takes to get something they want. I guess they play by the moto " screw anyone I can ". I know a lot of you think that I'm crazy for paying what I do for many of the reals I buy. At least I do it up front.

At least you do it up front? It is not hard to bend over and give a person your wallet to collect (REALS), but as a REEL collector there are many reels I cannot afford so I have to resort to trade, barter, swap, beating the pavement for a deal or two and none of those are wrong. I do not steal. It sure beats playing by the motto (moto) of "hand over my wallet and get screwed by everyone I can."

Who says that reel is worth $500 to $1000? To be able to place an accurate value on an item you have to compare an apple to an apple and apples from 3 years ago sold for more than an apple today. Heck, we are talking about a $57.23 with shipping parts reel and I had to pay shipping on those other two dogs and will have to euthanize them when they get here. If you want to really nit pick...page 149 of Karl White's book states that reel is worth $5000, but again, we have to compare like items and realistic values, which would fall somewhere between what the seller wanted ($35) and what I was willing to pay.

BAP-62 · Post by **BAP-62** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:43 pm

I have paid a little high on some reels but, I have also done very well on others I have gotten. I may be new to collecting reels but, I,m not new to collecting. You can justify what you did how ever you want. My beef was not with you in the first place. But when you came in with what you said, did you think no one would call you on it? They did and that's what I think is funny.

m3040c · Post by **m3040c** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:21 pm

I wonder how the seller of the Gayle reel would feel if he or she were reading this post. Of course that person would not be able to change anything but I am sure he would feel like he was robbed, even though a deal is a deal. This is all very enlightening.

BAP-62 · Post by **BAP-62** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:22 pm

Amen Brother!

fishbugman · Post by **fishbugman** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:31 pm

BAP-62 wrote:My beef was not with you in the first place. But when you came in with what you said, did you think no one would call you on it? They did and that's what I think is funny.

Yes, they did and their jealousy and envy is also funny to me. It just seems odd as you were the one that started the name calling so you must be laughing at yourself.

ReelMan1988 · Post by **ReelMan1988** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:40 pm

Wow what a discussion!

Thats why we call this America usa

I will bet any money that I'm not the only one in here that has done a back door deal.

And this would not be stealing since he offered me the reel for $180.00.

Thats still alot for a Delmar, normally a $20 reel. It's just Red w/ black specks.

m3040c · Post by **m3040c** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:03 pm

I think we are getting off the point here. John, you did not steal the reel. You paid a good price and in my opinion, if you would have left it alone, you may have got it for less than that. I was the first bid at $50.00 and my top bid was $68, I might have changed that to a hundred plus a few dollars at the end but I would not have bid it to $180. The reel is not worth that to me. The seller did not loose money here but the seller should not have ended the auction. That is what bothered me. EBay is a auction atmosphere and that's what it should be, not some dark place where auctions can be ended whenever the seller feels he has a buyer in his hand or when a buyer wants to slip in the back door and make a offer. Sure everyone from time to time gets a deal but when this way doing business becomes a "Business as Usual" way of doing business, that hurts everybody and in time will change the integrity of all the auctions.

Post by **Brian F.** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:26 pm

Maybe I missed something along the way but, the way I've read things, it would have been "ok" if the seller had added a "buy it now" sale price in the middle of the auction rather than end it early? That way, the seller would not be short changing ebay and they get their cut?

Jerry J in OK · Post by **Jerry J in OK** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 10:38 pm

I think you are right Brian. What gets me is why reelman88 didn't just enter a bid of $180 on the auction, since it was an auction without Buy It Now, and let it ride if he was willing to pay that much instead of going thru the back door? Personally, I decide what I am willing to pay for a reel and place that bid. If I get beat, so be it, but I am not gonna try to steal it from other potential bidders by making the seller an offer.

Jerry

m3040c · Post by **m3040c** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 11:33 pm

Brian, this thread has turned into a ethics discussion. Basically, I am saying that cutting a auction short after bids have been placed is wrong. That is my opinion.

The point that you noticed is not a opinion, it is a fact. When you cut the auction short and sell privately to a buyer that has made a private offer after the auction has begun, without re-listing with a Buy It Now, then you are truly cheating EBay and risking sending money to someone without any EBay protections. That's without question, bad business.

ReelMan1988 · Post by **ReelMan1988** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:45 pm

Well guys, i'm relisting this reel on eBay 7 day auction. I'm also listing a Rare Penn 85 with white spool. Came from a employee of Penn.

ReelMan1988 · Post by **ReelMan1988** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:46 pm

All I want is to make back what I spent. So bidding starts there.

ReelMan1988 · Post by **ReelMan1988** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:55 pm

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0310339209

Robin Sayler · Post by **Robin Sayler** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:40 pm

Why do you make offers and take the reel away from people who actually want to add it to their collections just to re-list it on ebay? You really need to re-think some of your practices or people will stop giving you deals on stuff because they will know you are just trying to make a buck. I really think you need to re-think your ethics, people in the collecting hobby pay attention to these things and may not offer to sell to you anymore or they may also stop buying from you if you have questionable practices.

Just some advise not ment as an attack or anything.

ReelMan1988 · Post by **ReelMan1988** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:51 pm

I really wanted the reel. I got the reel, fixed it up. Placed on ORCA, got bashed. It's available for anyone to grab it know. 1st bid will probably win, $180 is alot for this. If you really want it it's up for grabs. I'm planning to list alot more. Thinning the collection down, trying to stick with Big Game equipment. Check out the 16/0 w/ Bimini Rod. What a FIND!

1949modphil · Post by **1949modphil** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:04 pm

I just put a multi-colored 85 on ebay. I'll give you one guess as to who was the first one to contact me about a price or buy it now.

ReelMan1988 · Post by **ReelMan1988** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 6:11 pm

I knew that was you!

1949modphil · Post by **1949modphil** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 7:35 pm

Yeah, it's me. Betcha can get this one for less than a million. Nice to hear for you.

fishbugman · Post by **fishbugman** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:22 pm

Probably for less than $180 also...looks like they are getting fairly common.

fishbugman · Post by **fishbugman** » Thu Apr 02, 2009 8:47 pm

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0310339209

Looks like the value on these has fallen or maybe it wasn't rare to begin with. Might have something to do with the anti-auction, choke it down style buy-it-now price. Maybe the seller has turned the corner and become a collector of things no one else wants.

Araye50 · Post by **Araye50** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:09 pm

I'm flabberghasted so many still think what fleabay does is an "auction"! I discarded that fantasy a very long time ago after learning some of the intricracies of sniping & have since referred to this virtual market place as a digital game of chance. IMO there's often a good chance the seller knows nothing & it could go good or bad b/c of this.

Using ebay & ethics in the same sentence is like believing Bernie Madoff was ethical. Sellers seem to have no restriction on their right to end an "auction" early & often say so. Ebay is in it for the money & like any other online social network is at the mercy of those who work the system.

I can still count the reels I've bought via fleabay on my fingers & dramatically prefer to buy face to face at flea markets, yardsales, tackle shows & from other collectors. Never even tried to sell 1 there. Fleabay's popularity for collectors is in part a result of what I call the 'Antiques Roadshow Mentality'. Its an extension of the flipping/no money down mindset, where the goal is to gouge. The central idea is to sell stuff you get for next to nothing for as much as possible. The old axiom buy low - sell high is encouraged. This is the antithesis of researched price/value guides. It shouldn't surprise anybody young or old that such a forum attracts, promotes & expands traditional huckerism. People have been trying to rip others off since the dawn of time. Nobody & I mean nobody, is old enough to recall a time it was any different. The rise of technology has just made it easier. As always its a Buyer Beware world.

Red Penn Delmar 285

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No foolin' you!