Neighbor has Ambassadeur 5000 with foot code 761103. Would somebody help with value and vintage for this reel. It appears to be an 8/8 condition.
Thanks for any help.
Dale
Ambassadeur Date
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My thoughts are it was built in December of 1976 and was in the 3rd production run . A picture of the reel with its side plates and markings could change this of course.Value is highly dependent on Condition but as a rule they fetch from 25 to 60 bucks on Fleabay . If you have the original box ,papers ,tools etc. it can go higher .
I am an authority on nothing but do have a few Reels.
I am an authority on nothing but do have a few Reels.
Re: Ambassadeur Date
I agree with nomdeplume
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Found a post describing the 5000 vintage marking as follows:
Follow this post to Rick H response.
http://reeltalk.orcaonline.org/viewtopi ... age#p52181
Using this info: After 1970, the foot code 761103 indicates: Made in yr 1976, Nov, prod run 3, (76/11/03). So thanks to Rick and all for your help.
Dale
Follow this post to Rick H response.
http://reeltalk.orcaonline.org/viewtopi ... age#p52181
Using this info: After 1970, the foot code 761103 indicates: Made in yr 1976, Nov, prod run 3, (76/11/03). So thanks to Rick and all for your help.
Dale
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Re: Ambassadeur Date
Missed it by this much. I caint see anymore . thought the number was 761203 and still would like to see the side plates .
Here is what I base most of my Garcia Level Wind Stuff on .
I got it Somewhere on the interweb thing
There are many changes in the numbering systems from the earliest Records, where often no numbers were engraved at all, through to the current reels.
Starting with the Ambassadeurs, notably the Record Ambassadeur 5000, they did not have any numbering system employed at all.
I am informed that the serializing process did not begin until the Record name from the Ambassadeurs whence they were named ABU Ambassadeur only.
So then, both the Record Ambassadeur 5000 and 6000 (wide spool version) released just a year or so later, had numberless smooth reel seats.
When ABU did start numbering, it was a serialized form. the first to appear was the famous ABU Ambassadeur 5000 which has a number like 118158 which simply meant it was the 118thousand and 158th reel in the series. Numbers would soon run out, due to world wide popularity.
Around this era , two other Ambassadeur 5000 reels , namely the B (still red, but with Clicker) and C (black with ball bearings rather than bushes) models were serialized also but were considered different to the standard red Ambassadeur 5000.
This initial numbering process ended in 1963 and 1964 saw the start of a new regime, for all reels except for the Ambassadeur 5000 A B and C models, which continued to employ the previous method of serializing until 1971. I am unsure why, but suspect it may have had to do with these models staying on the original production line/stamping process, while new equipment may have been employed for the newer production reels?
So then , now if one was to observe the reel-foot numbered say 090400 , one could infer it was made in September, 1964 and it was the first production run before any minor changes were made. After the sixties ended, the format became 097000 which meant September, 1970 , first production run of the model without changes. 01 on the end of a number a following design production revision.
There were then more changes to the numbering process, from mid 1971. It was fairly simple and just moth and year were reversed so the year of production were the first two numbers in the indentification string eg 730900 meaning produced in 1973, September , first run.
#097000 was made in September 1970. Your lot number is the second type ABU used. There were three total used in the classic years.
Second type: MMYYXX...month, actual year, revision. 1970~mid to late 72.
Third type: YYMMXX...year, month, revision. Late 1972 into the 1980s. (most common type).
Here is what I base most of my Garcia Level Wind Stuff on .
I got it Somewhere on the interweb thing
There are many changes in the numbering systems from the earliest Records, where often no numbers were engraved at all, through to the current reels.
Starting with the Ambassadeurs, notably the Record Ambassadeur 5000, they did not have any numbering system employed at all.
I am informed that the serializing process did not begin until the Record name from the Ambassadeurs whence they were named ABU Ambassadeur only.
So then, both the Record Ambassadeur 5000 and 6000 (wide spool version) released just a year or so later, had numberless smooth reel seats.
When ABU did start numbering, it was a serialized form. the first to appear was the famous ABU Ambassadeur 5000 which has a number like 118158 which simply meant it was the 118thousand and 158th reel in the series. Numbers would soon run out, due to world wide popularity.
Around this era , two other Ambassadeur 5000 reels , namely the B (still red, but with Clicker) and C (black with ball bearings rather than bushes) models were serialized also but were considered different to the standard red Ambassadeur 5000.
This initial numbering process ended in 1963 and 1964 saw the start of a new regime, for all reels except for the Ambassadeur 5000 A B and C models, which continued to employ the previous method of serializing until 1971. I am unsure why, but suspect it may have had to do with these models staying on the original production line/stamping process, while new equipment may have been employed for the newer production reels?
So then , now if one was to observe the reel-foot numbered say 090400 , one could infer it was made in September, 1964 and it was the first production run before any minor changes were made. After the sixties ended, the format became 097000 which meant September, 1970 , first production run of the model without changes. 01 on the end of a number a following design production revision.
There were then more changes to the numbering process, from mid 1971. It was fairly simple and just moth and year were reversed so the year of production were the first two numbers in the indentification string eg 730900 meaning produced in 1973, September , first run.
#097000 was made in September 1970. Your lot number is the second type ABU used. There were three total used in the classic years.
Second type: MMYYXX...month, actual year, revision. 1970~mid to late 72.
Third type: YYMMXX...year, month, revision. Late 1972 into the 1980s. (most common type).
Re: Ambassadeur Date
Thank you for such a great complete detailed response. Now need to get my friend to read your answer. He is a member of a fishing club, about 100 members, that meet once each month to plan fishing outings. I just recently joined and am the only ORCAn.
Thanks again for your help.
Dale
Thanks again for your help.
Dale