Oldest US Fishing Reel Patent?

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Oldest US Fishing Reel Patent?

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Recently, a posting was made that asserted that the oldest US Patent for a fishing reel was the Billinghurst patent number 24,987 of Aug 8, 1859. This was based at least in part on various Patent Index documents from the U.S. Patent office, including perhaps the ones on Google Patents and the index on the Hathitrust.org site https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/001511246.

From a collector viewpoint (not necessarily a legal view), I know of at least one U.S. Patents for a fishing reels earlier than that. The first one I am aware of is U.S. Patent 854, July 26, 1838, shown here.


I started doing patent research in the late 1980's when I had a contract from a Kodak subsidiary with Fairfax Hospital in Fairfax, Va to digitize their medical records. Flying in and out of Washington National, I had lots of time to visit the Crystal City U.S. Patent Office, directly adjacent to the airport, and a good place to kill time waiting for planes. I used to go into the rows and rows of patents, arranged by category, and just hunt sequentially through all the folders. Every patent at that time that was older was still in paper form, the original documents in paper folders. More recent patents were on microfilm, and even more recent patents were just beginning to be scanned to digital formats. I spent several years learning where the fishing tackle patents were, and how they were organized. I also came to understand that the Patent Office really didn't have history at the top of their list. Most of the Patent Models that were submitted early are gone, and only a few still exist in the Smithsonian or in the Patent Archives.

When the U.S. Patent office started scanning all their patents and making them available online, I wrote a web crawler to download all the patent categories that I had collected from my patent research. I organized all the downloaded patents into 3 DVDs (DVDs hold 5 GB each, and CDs will not hold enough for but the smallest category). I sold those at shows for several years, until they became widely available from Google. You see, Google also had the magic index of names, which I did not ever finish on my disks. It is just too much work.

My Fishing Tackle DVD Collection consists of 3 disks, Lures, Misc Tackle, and Reels. They are organized into the same categories (folders) that the U.S. Patent Office uses. They are sequential from oldest to newest within those categories. Each Disk has an index of the sequential patents to tell you what category they are in. But the weakness of these disks is that they are not indexed by name.



I still occasionally sell these for $25 each or all three for $60 + Shipping, but with Google and other sources, only the most zealous researcher is interested. The thing is, having a physical disk you can just search each page like you are there cannot be replaced online. Also knowing all the categories that the patent office used is very valuable, and that information is fully explained on each disk.

I am willing to donate this to the club library if they are interested and think it is of value. A great project would be to actually produce an index of every reel patent (or other fishing tackle patents if someone was really ambitious). I have seen many partial indexes, but never a complete one.

Why are the digests and other indexes not complete? Primarily because the U.S. Patent Office went through so many early changes and disasters (like fire) and they were really concerned mostly with the commercial aspect (as I suppose they should have been) and not the historical aspects. Also, the patent category system underwent changes and it is fairly complex. There is no one patent category for Fishing Reels for example. I include all of these patent categories within my Fishing Reel Patent Disk:

CCL43-20-1-327 Rods with reels
CCL43-21$-1-897 Motor operated reels, Holders, supports, steadying devices
CCL43-27$-1-217 Trolley apparatus, line handling means, trawls
CCL242-2$-1-1000 Fishing Reels
CCL242-2$-1001-2000 Fishing Reels
CCL242-2$-2001-3010 Fishing Reels
CCL242-30$-1-605 Fishing Reels
CCL242-31$-1-863 Fishing Reels
CCL242-32$-1-1000 Fishing Reels
CCL242-32$-1001-1482Fishing Reels

Here is a challenge for anyone that is a patent researcher. Find the Tiffany patent on Google. In the meantime, if there is interest in furthering this, let me know.
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As pointed out in Paul's thread, Tiffany's invention wasn't what we consider a fishing reel, regardless of the PO's indexing. It was a line roller meant to be attached to a "rail of a vessel or other place" to facilitate line flow.
One problem with relying solely upon the PO's classification system is that some of the patent dates stamped on reels aren't classified under reeling devices. One example is the early Pflueger oil cap that we all know and love:

Find that one! Another example is the Hendryx birdcage rivet. Usually, these inventions were more generic, usable on all sorts of things besides fishing reels.
BTW, Google patent searches often don't turn up usable results for early patents, probably because their OCR isn't quite good enough. :x
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Steve & Matt,

With apologies for stirring up a hornets nest (although discourse is always good) I must commend both of you for the great work you have produced (and are willing to share). HathiTrust can aid us in our searches was what I was trying to illustrate.

Steve is right of course (never a doubt). The Bailey patent of 1856 is listed in the publication I cited under "Fishing-rod reel", I just missed it in scanning the category. My bad.

I do assume, however, that the USPTO 1790 to 1873 Index is accurate. All of the fishing related patents I can find in those documents (three volumes) are in Volume 1.

Risking further corrections, I would list a patent for a "Fish, Trolling-bait for catching" by R. Haskell of Painesville Ohio, Sept. 20, 1859, No. 25597. Fun.

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Dang old eyes and small print, Haskell patent is No. 25507.

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Interesting thread... I would love to see more like it that flesh out the minutiae of reel history. Thanks Kyreels for starting this discussion.
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Risking further corrections, I would list a patent for a "Fish, Trolling-bait for catching" by R. Haskell of Painesville Ohio, Sept. 20, 1859, No. 25507. Fun.
Alan,
Hate to do this to ya, but if you were suggesting that Riley was the first to patent a lure, I'm afraid he was off by seven years or so. Ole' Julio T. had him beat:



The "Mode of Taking Fish" was listed under categories 43/42.2; 43/42.22; 43/42.26; 43/43.14.

The first page of text claims the patent was for "Improvement in spinning bait for catching Fish"

You all might find the USPO sub-categories listed for Fishing,Trapping and Vermin Destroying an interesting way to spend a few hours. They even went so far as to create a sub-category for "Line Passing Through a Hollow Rod". Could have been for that Bristol rod, but maybe there was an even earlier one.
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Well, what the heck...as long as we're at it, here's a doodad that may have inspired Mark Palmer's 1860 masterpiece:

And if anyone cares:
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Folks,

No Jim, I wasn't claiming that as the first fishing lure patent, but isn't that the lure that sold for a gazillion dollars a few years ago?

Maybe Steve can clear something up. When searching the USPTO patent database Patent No. 1 was issued to J. Ruggles for traction wheels on Jul. 13, 1836. Going back from there to 1790 was there another number sequence used?

AND, if anyone cares, Trademark Number 1 was issued on Oct. 25, 1870 for "Liquid Paint".

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Steve,

The Pflueger oil cap you picture above....George A.'s Patent 1122800, issued December 29, 1914???

HathiTrust....Powerful!

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Alan,
Yep, that is the lure. More about it here.
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Kudos, Alan, you nailed the G.A.P. cap pat. Did you search Hathi for "Pflueger?" Most of my searches there seem to return thousands of results.
Re: the pre-1836 patents. It's my understanding that inventors were invited to resubmit their applications or whatever after the fire. Some did. These and others that could be recovered or reproduced were numbered with a preceding x. Here's a summary of the numbers involved.

("Liquid Paint?" Catchy! :cool )
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Steve (and other Hathi Nuts),

Thanks, that was a fun search, took me about an hour, but you didn't make it easy. I figured it was after 1900, so I started there and went forward searching the "Annual Report of the Commissioner of Patents".

I used the HathiTrust advanced search, "the exact term", title above, in "Title" and a date range between 1900 and 1920. Then I used the word search box within the document to search "Pflueger" and "Enterprise" (in case the patent was by someone NOT a Pflueger but an assignor). That word search box sometimes has its problems because of the word recognition software used, so if it is important to find something you should go into the document itself. In this case that is not hard once you find what you are looking for once. In 1900, for instance, you might find "Enterprise" on page 150, so in 1901 it will be in about the same place in the alpha listing of inventions. After calling up the document use the page box to go where you want. OH, and use the "plus" icon on the right side toolbar to make it bigger if your eyes are like mine.

The more you know the more HathiTrust is useful. For patents (in this date range) the Annual Reports are usually sufficient but for more detail you can use the "Official Gazettes of the US Patent Office". They are in monthly volumes so are more tedious.

By the way, the Pflueger clan was quite the eclectic bunch, looking at their patents. A "Sweat Collar" for horses? Harness rosettes that glowed in the dark? A removable horseshoe? Fun stuff, would make a great article for the REEL NEWS with their fishing patents if it hasn't been done already.

Thanks for the education on patents before the fire, I did see that those listed in the 1790 to 1873 index before 1838 do not have a number, I guess that is all that we know about them? I did see an early one for a "Fishing Apparatus".

Yeah, "Liquid Paint", it ain't Coca Cola, but you have to protect the brand!!

Cheers,

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