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I hate the smell

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of automotive axle grease in a fishing reel.

Not only in my new (to me) a9m9 (honest) boxed Mitchell 440, but in Oceanic's and Bache Brown's and Dingley's from across the pond.

Is there like an axle grease demon that infects fishermen - some perverted satisfaction in cranking the handle on that grease gun?

I think it's an old Sandscrit prophecy.
I am become grunge, the killer of old fishing reels.
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Ron...won't be telling you anything new here, but the most likely reason for most of it is that the axle grease is what was in the garage. My dad was a great man, but lived off what was around him...product of the depression and not about to go buy grease for anything as frivolous as a fishing reel. same logic produced the only back porch in Indiana that was painted with aluminum paint :D They pounded in that grease mainly to shut the damreel things up, more than to make them cast better...nothing worse than to be sitting out on a pond at dark, with bullfrogs and crickets chirping and little else...then having to listen to the grinding of that Mitchell 300...if nothing else, that big wad of axle grease kept the noise down.
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It also kept your hair in place, didn't it John?
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Indiana paint

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You mean you're not supposed to use aluminum paint on the porch? Darn! :lol:

p.s.: Harvey, I thought your hair looked especially nice at the convention in Texas. It seemed to have a funny automotive smell to it. Now I understand.
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HMMMM!!!

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:o :shock: :? :lol: :wink: :!: :?: :idea: cool-thumb yay-banana Canadian USA OK, ONE MORE TIME! Most of what you see is Cosmoline, used to preserve metal and keep water and salt off and out of mechanical parts! For those of you that never had the wonderful pleasur of putting it on milatary bayonets, and other asorted weapons etc in your basic training days mised out on the FUN!, The stuf is cheap, lots of it around and will take up the (Slack) in lose or worn parts! any of that (WONDERFUL BROWN , BLACK STUFF) no its not burnt bacon grease, that you get off the Mitchels etc, its Cosmoline! all paid for by tax payers! Only thing that will remove it in a hury is Gasoline! please use that outside way away from the HOUSE! Or, you can scrape and rant anf rave, however even pure mineral spirts takes a long time to get it off! As for that hard green grease you see in some reels? that is a type of automotive lube, however it still turns very hard! There was a time when regular bees wax, was mixed with the mixture and that also is very sticky, I dont suggest you get it in your wifes carpet or floors as thats a true grounds for a devorice if her broom dont beat you to death first! ha ha ! As long as countries have a Military Force, that wonderful brown-black goo will show up in our fishing reels! Now how do the put it in? They HEAT it and let it run in! then it goes back to its wonderful sticky ways! Your Ohio Conection On Lake Erie Col. M. Lorens aka SWIM JIG
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Kerosene works fine on cosmolene, as well and is a slightly better alternative...went thru many gallons of it during one of my many part-time jobs in college. I worked for a Volkswagen dealership and all their bugs and Porsches came in from overseas coated in the stuff...kept them from corroding on the ship coming over...real fun job! I got to use a mop, followed by rags, to remove it all then detail the cars to showroom shape. Only good part about it was that I got to drive some brand new Porsches around the parking lot in between cleanings.
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I don't know about you guys but here is the brand I use.

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Just slap a hand full on the ol' Axel and you would be suprised how well it slides in and out of the wheel. A small pinch between the fore finger and thumb and that cow-lick will lay down for days. And a thin coat on those chapped lips will keep you from licking them all day! (Of course, Horse dung will do the same!) This is the pocket size container. For the big jobs, we kept a five gallon bucket around with a wooden staub with burlap wrapped around one end as a handle.
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Harvey,
That's the can I saw you with in Texas! I thought it was your snuff! Take it easy with that stuff.
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ever hear of WEXFORD LINE??

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:) 8) :wink: :idea: cool-thumb yay-banana USA Thats what Harvy uses to waterproff his WEXFORD fishing line!, also be very careful if you see him with that can, He may have paliminto bugs in it so he has fresh fish bait! that way he can get the big-ins on his hooks! Ok harvy , the stuf works , however dont get your tooth brush in it! ha ha , Your Ohio Conection on Lake Erie Col. M. Lorens aka SWIM JIG
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If you think axle grease is bad in a fishing reel, I just took apart an old Penn 155 that was packed full with Never-Seize. You know that silver stuff that's used to keep spark plugs from seizing in an engine.
It's the kind of stuff that even a small speck of it will cover everything you touch if you get it on you, gasoline or any solvent washes it off, but not much else. I used a wide screwdriver to shovel it out before scrubbing and rinsing it all away into a bucket of gas. It did clean up like new though. I guess somebody was afraid it would seize up or something. It cranked as hard as an old meat grinder with all that goo inside. This stuff had separated, and left behind a silver paste about the consitency of spackeling putty plus it was dripping with a thick oil that had separated from the grease from all of it's seams. Just think, it turned hard with the temperture at about 85 degrees, just imagine what it would be like on a real cold day.
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Don't know if anyone else uses it but a grease I DO like (used in very very tiny amounts) is called "Bullshot" its very high quality and is used for high speed racing bikes (think Tour de france). Red color lets you see where it is... easy to clean off... doesn't solidify or attract dirt... doesn't get thick in cold... a really little goes a long way.
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:) 8) :wink: :!: :?: :idea: cool-thumb USA OK LL, could that be the same REd colered stuff that ZEBCO sells called HOT SAUCE? the have it in OIL also Greese, very correct a small amount goes a very long ways! Do you have a address? email or web site? do Bike shops carry it! Dont keep it a L.L secret let us PO FOLK KNOW! ( now as for a good oil that works and dont sling off its CALLED Marvel Mystery OIL been aroun from 1923 to now not too expensive! I have used it in Model airplane engines, incresed the rpms around 450 acording to the tack! also We now use it on all bearings in fishing reels and soak all gears overnight in it, I also use it as a additive in the vehicals and the boat engine, runs much smother! We used to use it in our Stock car at Lorain County Speed way in the50s untill they outlawed it as having a unfair advantage over other cars! A example of savings, in the Ford winstar, adding it to the gas, milage went from 18.7 to 20.9 mpg, thats not to bad and the engine according to the built in tach runs 170 rpms less at the same speed as before using it! again Let us know where to get this lube and can it be bought by the lb.? or the gallon on oil? Your ohio Conection On Lake ERIE Col. M. Lorens aka SWIM JIG
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Milt:
Your motor story reminded me of a Marvel Mystery Oil experience that occurred in 1980 - the last time price of gas went out of sight!

Was in Orlando Florida for spring baseball training, and my Ford Granada radiator hose broke. Had to locate a garage on weekend no easy job. Finally found a one bay garage with mechanic who could fix hose. He talked about his Chev that got 45 mpg and more, and that he tried to get GM to buy his idea. Got a little smoke, but not bad. Engine run lika a racer.

Well, he told me how he was using Mavel Mystery oil and lubricating top cylinder using vacuum to draw in Oil. He used an intervenous bottle with rubber hose to drip in oil. His wife was a nurse so she helped set up the drip part.

Told him I needed to try. So he gave me the whole setup - Drip bottle, hose, hose clamp and a can of Marvel.. When I gat back to upstate NY, I put dripper on my Ford 302 Granada and you wont believe the milage increase. Used system for about 2 months. Got over 30mpg instead of 16-18. Problem is you can't regulate oil drip rate using vacuum. So you use a lot of Marvel. At idle too much vacuum and at higher rpm too little. So, I was getting more oil when I needed less. Still, it really does work. I talked to several Ford engine engineers about, and they all knew that this worked - that was 25 yr ago!

When price of gas went back down, I lost interest. Maybe now is time to do again. Emission too strict now, and Engines are too complex for me.

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That is my Marvel story with top cylinder lubrication. Forgot to log in.
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also smells good!

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:D :) 8) :wink: :!: :idea: cool-thumb USA Dale you forgot to tell what a pleasent smell you get as the oil has a nice peperrment or minty smell, ( dont drink it) dale, they may bar reels at casting contest using the oil, and talk about extra miles? it works wonders in automatic Transmisions, Years ago a company repakaged it and sold it as a auto trans tune up! I buy marvel Oil at tractor Supy stores per gal and its cost is average of $15.95 a gal. HMMMM wonder if I gan buy it in 5 gal contanors? Yes, use one quart to a oil change, and make up a drip mitering system, as it can be adjusted to a very fine mist, have it on the Ford e-150 TUG that I pull the boat with, gets over 28mpg with a 5200 lb boat behind it and that 351 cleveland never even sputters! the reels I have used it on are not failing, bad for my bottom line good for the Charter Captains! however No MORE COME BACKS on a jamed reel! so I guess it actualy helps my bottom line! Your ohio conection on Lake Erie Col. M. Lorens aka SWIM JIG
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Bullshot grease is a high end bicycle lube, the only place I've seen it lately is from the UK online. Phil Wood makes a bicycle grease that's real close, if not a little better. From the bicycle world, there's a few similar products that would work in a fishing reel, Tri-Flow and SuperLube make a clear PTFE synthetic grease, that is clear and pretty light, neither will separate or stain. All of these are a bit on the heavy side and would need to be used very sparingly. The Phil Wood Grease and Bullshot are the most expensive, Tri-Flow is about $8 for a 3 oz. tube, and SuperLube is about $4. I've seen SuperLube in K-mart at times in the fishing section, but only in very small tubes. Both SuperLube and Tri-Flow make a light oil as well which comes in both an aerosol and in bulk liquid. (great for freeing seized or coroded parts, like stuck metal ferules on old rods).
My favorite as far as low resistance, is Lubriplate Fishing Reel Lube by Fisk Brothers, but this is not a synthetic and could separate and harden over time. Lubriplate is a bright white grease and very thin.

Here's a web link to a seller for Bullshot: http://www.mdt-products.com/products/18 ... lshot.html
Any bike shop should have access to either Tri-Flow, Phil Wood or Bullshot grease. Be carefull though, there is a Bullshot grease that is made for tractor trailer service, it's also waterproof, but it's very thick and sticky, it's meant for lubrication the fifth wheel plate.
I used to have some older grease that was labeled "Non-Fluid Oil" which was a very, very light amber colored petroleum grease, it looked alot like the old greases you find in some vintage reels. The supply I had is gone, but the maker had been out of business for 30+ years. It came in an orange metal can, which looked like a can of car polish. I had gotten a case of it from a shop that I bought out a number of years ago.
Performance Bicycle lists most of the available bike lubes including the Phil Wood Grease: http://www.performancebike.com/shop/search_results.cfm Too give you an idea of viscosity, the Tri-Flow and Super lube greases are about the consitency of mayonaise, the Phil Wood Grease is a bit thinner, as is Bullshot. All are quite waterproof, and will not separate or harden.
There are several bicycle greases out there that may be suited for use in a fishing reel, here's another link, http://www.nashbar.com/results.cfm
I have been told that the Shimano grease is also a good all weather light weight grease. Just about any synthetic grease will stay consistant at all temperatures, as well as be very water resistant. The key to a fishing reel is not to over grease or use anything too heavy that will add any cranking resistance. I use a combination of both grease and several weights of oil on my every day reels, depending on where they are fished, and which type of reel. For instance, a Penn 9/0 can tolerate a much thicker grease than say a Penn 209 Levelwind, while a spinning reel is the most sensitive, and always needs a very light grease. (In many of the new reels, with instant anti-reverse, the roller bearing can only have a slight drop of very light synthetic lube, any thing heavier and it will stick, and not work when needed).
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