Theoretical question about the oldest fly reel....
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Theoretical question about the oldest fly reel....
I know I'm probably stepping in it for raising this question, but just for discussion's sake -- and assuming we can define an early fly reel as a somewhat simple single action reel -- what do you think is the oldest verifiable American-made fly reel? By verifiable I mean a reel which the date of manufacturer can be narrowly determined through the dates a company or maker operated (ie: Conroy and Sons was in business between X and Y years...) or a reel that has an actual date engraved on it (allowing for the fact that date might have been when it was presented to the angler). We know the Orvis fly reel was patented in 1874, so that definitely narrows when that reel was available. I know there are much older American-made fly reels. What are they and how are you determining when it/they was/were made?
Richard
Richard
Re: Theoretical question about the oldest fly reel....
Samuel Phillippe built the first split-bamboo section for a fishing rod in 1846.
Billinghurst built his birdcage fly reel in 1859. The AMFF considers that to be the first American fly reel.
https://www.amff.org/portfolio/william- ... urst-reel/
Billinghurst built his birdcage fly reel in 1859. The AMFF considers that to be the first American fly reel.
https://www.amff.org/portfolio/william- ... urst-reel/
Mike N.
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Re: Theoretical question about the oldest fly reel....
Good points, Mike. I was talking about fly reels, not rods (although I like old fly rods, too.).
Curious to hear what other folks think. Older than Billinghurst? Give us your best shot.
Curious to hear what other folks think. Older than Billinghurst? Give us your best shot.
Re: Theoretical question about the oldest fly reel....
My point in mentioning the rod was the incredible 13-year gap, 1846 to 1859.
Either the Phillippes rod was fished with a British fly reel for those 13 years, or there was an American alternative before 1859.
But I defer to S.Vernon, J. Schottenham, and J. Brown & company for a definitive answer.
Either the Phillippes rod was fished with a British fly reel for those 13 years, or there was an American alternative before 1859.
But I defer to S.Vernon, J. Schottenham, and J. Brown & company for a definitive answer.
Mike N.
ORCA Founder, 1990
ORCA Founder, 1990
Re: Theoretical question about the oldest fly reel....
How to define a "fly" reel? Used wilst fishing with a fly for bait? Weren't they all just fishing reels way back then? Steppin' in it here!
Re: Theoretical question about the oldest fly reel....
There's this one to consider, but verifiable? And when did Morgan James make his reels?
I'm waiting to see if anyone ever finds a Rodgers (1820s?), Brinsmaid (ca. 1852), or early Bate (1822on) fly reel...or any reel by those folks, for that matter.
Just for fun, here's something from the early to mid-1850s:
I'm waiting to see if anyone ever finds a Rodgers (1820s?), Brinsmaid (ca. 1852), or early Bate (1822on) fly reel...or any reel by those folks, for that matter.
Just for fun, here's something from the early to mid-1850s:
Steve Vernon
ORCA Honorary member
Book: ANTIQUE FISHING REELS, 2nd Ed.
Websites:
Antique Fishing Reels
Kopf reels
Hendrick reels
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