Shakespeare 1924 Tournament reel

Bill Bush · Post by **Bill Bush** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 10:04 am

I have a pretty nice Shakespeare 1924 narrow spool tournament reel with a handle that appears to be from a later model reel. Does anybody have a picture of what the original would look like? I would like return the reel to it's original glory.

Thanks for any consideration!

joe klaus · Post by **joe klaus** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 3:44 pm

What in the heck you doing posting over here, Bush? Everybody knows that you're one of those snob lure collectors that wants everything "mint"
condition

I'll trade you one of my super rare 1924 Shakespeare handles for one of your Shakespeare Kasmiroski Specials.

Bill Bush · Post by **Bill Bush** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 6:09 pm

A plain 1924 handle wouldn't get a Kasmiroski. It would have to be a 1924S handle...with no more than minor corrosion. The wind is blowing about 40 MPH, so I figured you would be on the bay.

BTW, I'll have you know that I AM a reel collector. I have five and two of them are complete and work. That's not counting the one that I fish with!

I am sure that the other readers know that there was more than one 1924, but for your benefit, I will post pictures.

Send me a proper handle and I'll send you an amber Shorty Shrimp.

Bill Bush · Post by **Bill Bush** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 6:17 pm

I thought this board was HTML enabled. Why are the pics not linking? I hate computers!

Post by **john elder** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 6:56 pm

Bill Bush · Post by **Bill Bush** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 7:13 pm

Thank you, John. I appreciate it. For future referance, can you tell me why my links didn't work?

Post by **john elder** » Sun Nov 27, 2005 8:33 pm

well, when the board first opened, I hosted pics on AOL and posted just like you tried to do and it worked, so not sure what's up with that. But what does work is to go up and hit that "img" button at the top of the post window...move cursor immediately to the right of it and paste in the url, starting with http...leave off the img src stuff. then, hit the "img" button again and you're good to go...you can preview the post and also can edit later with the edit button, if you screw it up!

Jim Madden · Post by **Jim Madden** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 12:02 am

John, I hate to say this, but I actually think you have the wrong handle there. I hope Harvey will jump in, but yours looks chrome. The 1924's I've seen have aluminum handles with the hourglass shape. Jim

joe klaus · Post by **joe klaus** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 2:36 am

Jim:

Just for clarification, I believe the pics that John posted are of the reel owned by Bill Bush (for which he seeks a "correct" handle).

I do not have a 1924 catalog, but the 1927 catalog seems to indicate that the narrow spool reel should have the "tiny handle" and the wider spool reels should have the regular size handle.

The first pics below are narrow spools. The black one is imprinted with Tournament 1743, model 26. The normal looking one is imprinted Tournament 1744, model 26.

In the second picture, the Tournament with the small handle is a 1924 model and the Tournament with the regular handle is a 1922 model.

The last picture is a Tournament, 1912 Model.

I'm not sure any of this provides an answer to Bill's question but I present the pics for the purpose of showing several different types of handles that Shakespeare used on its Tournament reels.

Naturally, I agee with Jim that the handle should be aluminum, but I rather think that it doesn't matter whether you put a "tiny handle" on the reel or one like Jim shows in his pic. I suspect Shakespeare used both, depending upon customer preference.

I also see something else on my narrow spool reels that is strange. Both of them are marked "100 yds" instead of "60 yds" (on bottom of foot). Yet the pillars on both of the feet are "correct" in width. Anyone else have a Shakespeare that is "supposed" to be a 60 yd but is marked "100 yd ?

Warren Platt · Post by **Warren Platt** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 10:23 am

Since these are tournament reels, could it be that Shakespeare is telling how much official tournament line the reel held when it's marked 100 instead of 60? There was 4 1/2, 6, and 9 lb. lines. Don't know which one it would be, 6 and 9 lb. line were the most common. I would think somewhere they would have to tell what the marking represented if it were different that other reels. Am I completely off base with my thinking here, or could it be that the spool is just a different size?
Warren Platt

Bill Bush · Post by **Bill Bush** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:07 am

My thanks to all who posted info and pictures. I now know what handle I'm looking for.

Joe...Do your 100 yd marked narrow spools have cork arbors? If not, that would account for the extra capacity, or it may have been that Shakespeare was a bit careless, as to what foot they used.

Post by **john elder** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 11:21 am

'scuse me if I'm off-base here, but if the 60 and 100 yd bases were the same width, then the only way to accomodate the diff would be to increase the diameter of the side-plates...I would think that they would have to calculate the amount of line in the absence of the cork arbor, since that is an option for all their reels...either way, ya gotta have a "taller" reel to make it work with the same width base. And Warren brings up a good point re line lb...they must have declared somewhere that all the yardages are based on a standard size...I would assume that would be 6 lb linen?

Now, having said that...did that tournament model come with different diameter sideplates? what reel might that base be most appropriate for?

Also, if the wrong plates were matched with the foot, might that fit be inappropriate and detectable...or would the diff be too subtle?

Tony Malatesta · Post by **Tony Malatesta** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:42 pm

Here is a front and bottom view of another Tournament reel stamped 100 yrd. and having the larger handle. Canadian

joe klaus · Post by **joe klaus** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:45 pm

Tony:
That one looks like the regular spool and I would "expect" it to be marked "100 yd". My question relates to 2 of the Tournaments which are narrow spool and logically should be marked "60 yd", but they're not.
Both are marked "100". Pictures of one below.

Jim Schottenham · Post by **Jim Schottenham** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 10:31 pm

Joe and Warren,
It's tough to get a real clear shot of the catalog page, but this may answer some questions. What's interesting is that my model 1744 narrow spool reel is also fitted with a 100 yard marked foot. My guess is Shakespeare used that foot for all the tournamant reels, and cut to fit.

As you can see, they simply list the 1744 as a 60 yarder of "tournament" line - no line size listed.
Jim S

joe klaus · Post by **joe klaus** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:01 am

But Jim--
Look at the pic of the bottom of the foot of Bill Bush's nice Model 1924 above (posted by John). It's clearly marked: "60 yds".

Jim Schottenham · Post by **Jim Schottenham** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:36 am

Whoops! Guess I shoulda read from the top!

I took a real hard look in the dealer catalog for 1930 where the above pages came from, and they don't even list a part for either the #1744 or #1743 reel foot. All other reels are listed w/ part #'s to buy a foot. I also didn't see anywhere in the dealer catalog where you could order a tournamant handle. Anyone know when these small dual and triple handle grasps were offered?
Jim

Post by **john elder** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:57 am

someone elbow Harvey...he's missing all the fun

Bill Bush · Post by **Bill Bush** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:12 pm

Getting back to the original post, which is not, nearly, as interesting...Bill still needs a handle. If I can't buy one, I'll have to mug Klaus and take one off of a reel. I don't mind doing that, except it will violate my parole.

"Officer, he was really ugly, bald, had BO and bad breath, and was armed with an unlicensed Shakespeare reel wrench."

Jim Schottenham · Post by **Jim Schottenham** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:43 pm

Sorry Bill, kinda got off on a tangent there. I called Henry Caldwell and asked him to bring his box of handles to an auction we're going to tonight. I'll bring my narrow spool just to be sure he has one that'll fit. Do you want a tiny handle like Joe posted, or the standard aluminum handle, or would either work?
Jim

Bill Bush · Post by **Bill Bush** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:09 pm

Jim,

I would be grateful for any period correct handle, be it small, large, or triple. If you are able to get one, let me know costs and payment will go in the next mail. Thank you! I appreciate your efforts.

Warren Platt · Post by **Warren Platt** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:07 pm

Jim,
My 1937 catalog offers a small handle instead of the large if ordered with the new # 1970 Tournament reel, no extra charge. It also gives two different line capacities, 100 yds of 9 lb. line on reels with 1 1/16 in. arbor and 60 yards with the 1 1/4 in. arbor. My 1926 catalog doesn't even offer the narrow spool tournament. Does the 1924 catalog picture the narrow spool reel? I'm sure most of the tournament accuracy casters purchased a small handle from Shakespeare and replaced the large handle on most reels after that time. Because of this I don't think we can be sure which handles were original as we find these reels now. As for the triple handle, I've never seen one that wasn't modern. Someone made a bunch of them about 12 years ago, but I don't know who it was.
Warren

Shakespeare 1924 Tournament reel

Shakespeare 1924 Tournament reel

hells bells Bush

damage control..got your back, bill!

Thank for the assist.

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Thanks, again

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