some very fast and long distant casting reels!!!

[SWIM JIG]

cool-thumb jump jump yay-banana USA Ok people and you to PHIL! I just checked a web site of a reel rebuilder and mfg. In Hawaii, owner Brock fee, web site is (home.hawaii.rr.com/rocketreels) he claims his reels go from 0 to 4000 rpms in seconds and cast over 200 yrds! I pulled up the site, yup! he list several things, Brian, have you heard of him? I saw this in my new 2006 Smithy machining equipment cataloge. As for the reel site it has custom made items for spools etc and newell reels and their own brand! He even has pics of his magnets for sale! YIKES! wont this make for interesting ideas! Your Ohio Conection on cold and Snowy Lake Erie Col. Milton Lorens aka SWIM JIG !

[Reel Geezer]

Interesting site. Thanks Milt. I saw Big Lou cast over 600 feet, so I know it can be done. All my references on distance casting have been to standard bass fishing tackle casting with 3/8 and 5/8 oz tournament plugs.

[Dr. Rob]

Cool. Yes, he seems to be quite capable as a machinist. His reputation is not at all unknown among reel tuning fanatics in both Hawaii and Florida. Didn't see some of the things you mentioned, Swim, but a neat site nonetheless.

FWIW, RPM ranges of 30 000 + are not all unusual in casting reels; that's about what you get from an Ambassadeur sized reel on a big cast. From zero to max seldom takes more than a few seconds.

Doc.

[SWIM JIG]

cool-thumb jump jump yay-banana USA Well people, its TIME! yup, I is alls abouts to do me some fixins!I am lookin at new old stock ABU 7000 now ifin I ads some nice Ceramic bearings from (Boca Bearings ) Out of Boynton Beach FL. and gits some of these nice magnets From Mr. Brock FEE Of HI. and I do some work on this old lathe of mine, then Between My Rod man and Frank From the Rod makers Shop In Strongsville OHIO, well It might just be a GO FAR Combo, Lets See Eliptic ceramic guides and a ceramic roller tip with a ceramic bearing, The rod most likly will have to be at least 11 feet long and made out of some exotic materal, (That will be up to the rod men) Next I contact Bill wallace of POWER PRO and get some modified line! I aints gona go for no record but think of the boat travel time I will save with a combo like that ! I can gits to dem dar fish without spooking them! ifin it works these Charter Captains will beat high fuel cost! Thanks Dr. Rob and you to PHIL, ifin it works then I will name the combo the (PHIL & ROB ) combo! now I best gits back to the drawin board for I forgits my plan! LOOK OUT FISH I am a gona gits you! Your ohio Conection On a Darn Cold Lake Erie Col. M. Lorens aka SWIM JIG

[Brian F.]

Milt, I know Brock well as he's a good friend of mine. He got me familiar with the world of longcasting. Not that I consider myself a longcaster by any means but he has put some magnets in my fishing reels that have allowed me to make some gains in distance. He does a great job and the magnets make my Penn 555 w/ 40 lb test get bait out there smoothly and in a hurry. As for casting, the reel is only part of the solution. You'll have to find a rod in the range of at least 11 to 13 foot with the proper action and most importantly, get the right technique down before you can get some distance. For rods, you can check these out: http://www.donstacklehawaii.com/

Dr. Rob, Brock has learned a lot and become quite good very quickly too. He's helped me repair some of my Pflueger Templars. I don't know if you've seen his work on the ABU frames for his own use but he is the one that recommended I find a 7500 for some real distance! Anybody got a spare ABU 7500 CT lying around?

Phil, Brock knows Lou very well and helped me get in touch with our Texas friends for the demonstration. He's an accomplished longcaster (the best in the island, as far as I'm concerned) and is planning to make the world competition and get together that Jerry Valentine puts on in Texas next year. There will be a handful of Hawaii guys hoping to participate too as they have agreed to host a "Hawaii Day" where everyone will try their hand using "huge" tackle (40 lb test on Jigmaster size reels - we consider that light tackle here, Ha Ha!) There will be lots of souped up reels there (ABUs mostly). If things go well, I'll tag along with our island contingent as the waterboy but I may have to choose between that and the National!

If I do go, I'll keep my eyes open for anyone using microchipped reels. As an aside, you may want to see if you can get some contact with the casters from Japan. I hear there is a huge group (in the thousands) that are into the sport although I only see a handfull attending events in the US and UK. Given their penchant for new and expensive tackle, I'd bet you'd find someone using those reels there first over any other country.

[Guest]

Hi guys

"Micro chipped" reels are Made by Shimano...In Japan they are called the Conquest DC. Calcutta TE DC in the USA. Same reel.The reel senses the speed and adjusts braking accordingly. These reels are probably not much use for more than bass fishing. I know that several of the top UK casters were evaluating them and found that while they were very controlable...they were perhaps TOO controlable. Pretty whiplash free. Hit the link below for info.

www.japantackle.com

Ryan White at Hatteras Jacks has the American versions. See below.

On long casting in general the Japanese are getting better and better but the UK guys mostly dominate the sport as a whole. That said the top casters this year were Italian and Belgian. Danny Moeskops has cast over 300 yards and so have others...Several American casters have cast over 800 feet and we are gaining...or they are. I am no where near that...

On reel tuning..there are several people in the US who do top notch reel tuning. The best known are Ryan at Hatteras Jacks and Nick Meyer at Breakaway in Corpus Cristi. In the interest of fairness I should disclose that I have a business relationship with Nick but that does not change the fact that he does great work...oh..I have an AMAZING 6500c3ct that ryan built me...way more reel than I can use..

Lastly...most of the hardcore longcasters use 5500 and 6500's that have been modified or UMII or UMIII's that have been modified for tournament casting but when they fish you will usually find them using DiawaSL-X20 or SL-X30 size reels or a Penn 525Mag. They are just more durable and nearly as fast as a tournament reel.

There are some guys who do not have shops who also work on reels.
Notably Conn Leahy and I think Lou does as well. I am sure there are others..

Here are some more links.
www.breakawayusa.com
http://www.hatterasjack.com/

Hope this is helpful, informative...or at least a little entertaining...

Sean

[spey_chucker]

Oops...that was me above...
Hey...who do I send money to so as to legitimize myself here?
You guys have made or saved me a couple of hundred dollars this year for sure and made it seem like I knew what I was talking about on more occaisions than I should admit...

Sean

[Brian F.]

Speaking of rods, I never did come across any Pflueger Saltaires since we last heard from you. I remember you telling me about the ones you run into all over. Any cheap ones under $100 come your way since then? I'm still looking for a nice one.

[john elder]

Sean: re joining ORCA, go to the top of this board and click on "ORCA HOME"...then go to the top of that board and click "JOIN ORCA"...you will get a form to fill out and submit. You might also find some interesting side-features on that home page! Welcome and glad you appreciate the knowledge base with this group (excluding me!)

[spey_chucker]

Hi Brian...not recently but I have not been looking in earnest. I DO have a fellow coming in the shop who claims to have a bunch of old cane boat rods. I'll keep you in mind if anything turns up.

Sean

[SWIM JIG]

cool-thumb jump jump yay-banana USA Sean, I would like to make a suggestion! Why Not Join For 5 years, that way you are locked in at the old rate of $25.00 of you join 1 year at a time you will pay $30.00 a year and then posibly forget to renew and miss all the nice things ORCA does! Give yourself a early Christmas Present Join for 5 Years, a Merry Christmas to you! Your Ohio Conection on a darn cold Lake Erie 9degrees today) Col. Milton Lorens aka SWIM JIG

[Chuck]

Some of the distances that people achieve are incredible - I would have to say that there are as many Brits as Japanese that are distance casting aficiandos (sp.)

A current intrest of mine is distance casting the 18 gram weight , which comes out at about 5/8 oz. Some of the big hitters on the other side of the pond are getting distances over well over 100 yards. One of the favorite reels is the nearly 30 year old Ambaddadeur 2500C!

Also, the International Casting Federation has participated in the World Games twice and is recognized by the International Olympic Committee - someday may see casting in the Olympics! It'll be both distance AND accuracy.

Maybe the casting games will come back and we'll find out that those old reels were some of the best for these games, eh?

Chuck

[spey_chucker]

Hey Chuck...nice to see another 18 g. fanatic! Some interesting notes on 18g, 5/8 oz casting. The plugs in international events are plastic and very difficult to cast compared to the aluminum plugs used by ACA here in the states. I wish we would go plastic here...harder to cast but safe in crowds in the event of a "crack off".
Some of our UK friends are pitching over 125 yards! Notably Thain, White and Miller. There are a few others as well.
Bad news on our beloved 2500s though. Even with the after market ZPI spools it seems that the limit has been reached due to capacity issues. A shame as they are pretty much being replaced by newer design low profile reels..all good gear to be sure but I sure loved the fact that this event was dominated by an Old Reel...

Sean

[SWIM JIG]

cool-thumb jump Canadian USA ( Sean, just a thought on line, I am not as of yet a tournment caster however do my share of fishing casting! A 150 175 yrds is eazy with our set ups using 3/4 to 7/8 oz lures. We ar all using ( POWER PRO line by innovative textiles 2105 I-70 business Loop grand Junction CO. 81501) Contact person is Bill Wallace their tool free # is (1-800-650-8003) exaple of line diamitor is 10 lb is .0006 diamitor or 2lb diamitor, 20 ln test is 6lb diamitor or .0009 , and 30lbis 8 lb diamitor or .011 diamitor. Stretch is minimal less than 5% , When we get ready to use the line we (TWANG IT) we tie a end to a tree, go out 200 or 250 yards and tie to anything solid a auto bummper is good, then we twang it till it stretches then re atach at twang again untill we get the newness out of it. When tying to the spool, we when using a metal spool knural a diamond patern on the spool so when the line is tied it wont slip. Your garcia ambasadors have a metal spool however they are generaly 3 pice spools as they get their width by using a defferent spacer, and shaft. these are glued with epoxy glue, On our reels again we fish I change out all bearings over to a ball bearingrace, I pre wash out the greese , and after the bearings spin freely I soak overnight in MARVEL OIL(tm) or Zebco Hot sauce(tm) We polish the line guide on the reel with red jewlers compound, and the same for the ROD eyes even the ceramic ones, we check for snags with a (COTTON Q-TIP) The reason for the distance on Lake Erie is there is times a boat will Spook) Walleye so we have to put a lot of distance between us and the fish! The same thing when we are after spooky bass, we boat fish! not excuses! Ther is no thing as a missed fish only improper casting and methods! Your Ohio Conection On Lake Erie Col. Milton Lorens aka SWIM JIG

[Reel Geezer]

Sean & Chuck: ORCA is not all ooooold stuff. I wrote an article in the last issue of the Reel News about the DC and some of the cutting edge reels that are being produced in Japan today. Perhaps this might be one more reason for you to join.