Question about a reel

Reelman · Post by **Reelman** » Sat Feb 04, 2006 4:50 pm

Was this reel made with a hard rubber inset ring or is it just the design of the reel. As you can see I have a couple screws to replace. You can tell a farmer owned it. He use nails instead of screws to replace the screws that he lost. Probably was my father-in-laws reel. His way of fixing things. Is not to use a screwdriver and screw if a hammer and nail or hammer and screw will work.

Merv
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Ron Mc · Post by **Ron Mc** » Sat Feb 04, 2006 7:46 pm

looks like it might be a 40-yd. Seminole, not exact, but very close. Sure looks like a Pflueger reel, maybe a merchant reel?

Reelman · Post by **Reelman** » Sat Feb 04, 2006 11:32 pm

Yes I believe it is a Pflueger. I am wondering if the ring on the face plate is for a hard rubber insert that is missing. Like a Pflueger Oceanic. Or if it is just design of the reel. The ring is a 1/16th deep by 1/8th wide. It is the same size as yours 40 yards.

Merv
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Ron Mc · Post by **Ron Mc** » Sat Feb 04, 2006 11:45 pm

mine's an 80-yd., and it has essentially the same groove.

Reelman · Post by **Reelman** » Sat Feb 04, 2006 11:58 pm

Maybe this picture shows it more.

Merv
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Post by **Brian F.** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 1:17 am

Yes, Merv - the plates definitely appear to be very different from the Seminole with that deep groove. Although I don't know if it had a named offspring but I'm sure I've seen those in very early catalogs.

As for the possibility of the groove holding a hard rubber inlay, I don't think so. It may be just the shadows but it seems to me that the sides have a bevel on them. Wouldn't they need to be straight 90 deg to hold the rubber in? There is one similar looking reel in the 1907 catalog that has a rubber inlay but the inlay would be reversed, ie. covering the larger part of the plate, inside of your groove.

Bob Miller (RAM) would probably be able to ID it off the top of his head.

el Lawrence · Post by **el Lawrence** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 6:54 pm

Has a Pfluger Pfeel to me too... I vote that the groove is decorative or maybe to cut wear from the handle but I doubt any rubber gasket was inserted. I think Brian is right in that it would have to be no taper or bevel to hold it in or the piece would have to be pinned. Just seems unlikely for the other quality attributes for the reel... I see it as maybe more of a mechanical decorative device rather than the "coined" line Rons reel has... Something to make it appear fancy at little cost (would venture the coin treatment is more difficult). I have seen similar treatments/grooves on other reels none of which could hold HR insets. Several Quadruples have more shallow groves... Also I've never seen (doesn't mean there aren't any though) HR inserts that tiny. Even new it would be a pretty delicate bit of material... What is the tail plate like? Any clues there?

Ron Mc · Post by **Ron Mc** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 8:56 pm

well, my reel has the same groove for the same function - it may be a bit shallower (my lighting is also diffused), and of course it has the coined edge on the inside bevel.
I think it's to allow free-play in the handle without grinding on the face.
The handles sit below the outer rim of the face on these reels to keep the line from the getting under the handle.

Reel Geezer · Post by **Reel Geezer** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:07 pm

I'm sure that is an Enterprise reel, and I believe Merv's supposition is correct. The metal is not finished on the plate, probably so the glue could get a better grip. That is the glue that held down a rubber venier. I don't believe the groove in Merv's reel is anything like the protective rim on a Seminole. I don't see any trade reel in the Pflueger Pfacts book that looks like it. However, if it did have a rubber venier on it, a name could have been on the rubber.

Bob Miller, where are you when we need you?

Reelman · Post by **Reelman** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 10:27 pm

Here is the back of the reel for those who asked.

Merv
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Ron Mc · Post by **Ron Mc** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 10:30 pm

Seminole 80yd

not saying it's the same reel, but maybe Merv's is an older version of the same reel.

I did notice that the face is not undercut on his reel, while it is in my Seminole.
If you mill the face down to leave the high rim on the Seminole, then the grooves are the essentially the same size before that step.
And I know, we all agree this is an Enterprise reel.

Jerry J in OK · Post by **Jerry J in OK** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 10:53 pm

This pic is in the 1906/07 catalog. The knob is a little different but the reel looks like it has the cut along the outside edge. If you want I can try to email you a bigger pic Wonder if the dimensions are the same as shown here for the 80 yd...Where is Bob when you need him?

Jerry

Post by **Brian F.** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 11:52 pm

I'm still inclined to think Merv's reel is not missing a rubber inlay. The only other Pflueger reel of similar design shown with a rubber inlay is also shown in the 06/07 catalog (and also in 04/05 and 07/08). That reel however, #273-277, has a rubber inlay on the tailplate, unlike this one. The inlay on the headplate would not be around the rims but in the center, where the raised portion of the plate is on Merv's reel. It also has a Kentucky style foot and also does not have any name or markings on the head plate. I believe that reel was identified as a Pflueger in a past Reel News when it was shown as a "mystery reel".

Something else but beside the point since everyone agrees Merv's reel is a Pflueger but about the spool arbors on these two reels: I would think the spool on Merv's reel with the "shoulders" to be a typical Pflueger design. I probably just have not paid attenion to this type of reel before but the arbor on Ron's Seminole doesn't remind me anything about Pflueger.

Reelman · Post by **Reelman** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 11:56 pm

I have a 40-yd. Seminole too. The difference is. The Seminole lip is higher then the face of the reel. Mine has a lip then it drops down a 1/16th of a inch for a 1/8th inch then goes back up to the level of the rim. So the reel face is flat with the rim. Excepted for the 1/16th deep 1/8th wide milled ring. The Seminole when it drops down from the lip says down all the way across the reel till it goes back up to the lip on the other side. The groove you see is a ring milled into the face of the reel. Not wear from the handle.

Merv
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Ron Mc · Post by **Ron Mc** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:24 am

looks like Jerry has the right catalog entry.

Reelman · Post by **Reelman** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:31 pm

I have had this 60 yd Seminole and have been wondering why it had four holes drilled into the face plate. As you can see in the picture. Since I had it out any way looking at the reel we have been discussing. Looking at it I thought maybe it was a reel that at the company it was suppose to be drilled so they could put a hard rubber plate on top of the metal. But they needed it to fill a order for Seminole reels and stamped it quick. Or the other it started out as a Seminole and they had a order for a hard rubber on top of the plate. And the hard ribber broke and fell off over time. Only other that made sense was the owner drilled for what is anybody's guess.

Well back to reel I took the face plate off and looked at the back of the face plate. And this is what I saw.

*%#[at]

Oh No if that is what I think it is. So I picked up the reel that started this string and took it a part. And this is what was on the back of the face plate.

To make a long story short. I must apologize to Ron Mc. He was right the reel was Seminole. The previous owner had took the reel apart and put the face plate on backwards.

I should have took time to clean the reel first. I just assumed it was one of the millions of unmarked Pflueger reels only known as numbers marked in a catalog. Of all the thousands of reels I had a part when I was in the reel repair business and collecting them. I should have recognized that the face plate was on backwards.

:doh: I made a rookie mistake.

I am sorry Ron Mc. You were right it is a Seminole.

Merv
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Ron Mc · Post by **Ron Mc** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:33 pm

no apology necessary. all in the fun.

so we were waxing over the spool groove all along.

Post by **Brian F.** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:58 pm

No biggie Merv!

I'm always reminded by what my mechanic friend told me once AFTER I spend a lot of time on something: "check the easy stuff first".

I'll bet RAM didn't even know you could turn those plates around!

Ron Mc · Post by **Ron Mc** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:07 pm

I bet the reason he turned it around was that freeplay in the handle was rubbing on the face plate.

I've discovered that the handles left in one spot for 80 years start to move up and down, grinding the face plate. All you have to do is move them 90 degrees to the adjacent spindle lands, and they're solid for the next 80 years.

Reel Geezer · Post by **Reel Geezer** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 9:23 pm

No wonder I couldn't find it in Pflueger Pfacts. At least I had it right that it was an Enterprise Mfg. Co. Reel.