Antique reel-Definition

RAM · Post by **RAM** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 2:44 pm

There seems to be no heretofore acceptable definition of the word "antique" in reference to a given reel's age .
The correct one is: Henceforth, no reel made on or after the date of my birth can be called "antique" by any collector. It may be referred to as desireable, beautiful, handsome, still serviceable, valuable, important, having a fine patina (may need occasional cleaning), even vintage-but NOT antique. I ain't tellin' what year this means! Now as to reels made after the Geezer's birthdate, that is still open to debate! Bob

Post by **Brian F.** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 2:46 pm

Reel Geezer · Post by **Reel Geezer** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 5:23 pm

Bob: You need to get out of that snowstorm I see on TV and go fishing.
Geez

Jerry J in OK · Post by **Jerry J in OK** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 6:25 pm

Gosh Bob...I always thought these 4 Pfluegers were antique but I guess not...Oh well, live and learn...Jerry

Ron Mc · Post by **Ron Mc** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:02 am

SURE, there is a defintion.
Antique is over 100 years old.
Vintage is over 50 years old.
Venerable is over 25 years old.

Jerry J in OK · Post by **Jerry J in OK** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:10 am

Ron...Where does VULNERABLE fit in?...

Jerry

Ron Mc · Post by **Ron Mc** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:16 am

I think that's related to NUMBER of reels. jester

Jerry J in OK · Post by **Jerry J in OK** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:27 am

OK, I agree 100%...

Reel Geezer · Post by **Reel Geezer** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:44 pm

You guys need to go read the thread on Vintage. It is not a number of years, it is an adjective, and needs a year to go with it. Vintage 2001 is a correct use of the term, as is vintage 1885.

Robin Sayler · Post by **Robin Sayler** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 10:06 pm

This seems like a good thread for this question. If we're going by the definitions above i'm not even Venerable let alone vintage so i'm still trying to learn alot. Do you guys think reels produced today will ever be considered collectable or be worth anyhing?

Ron Mc · Post by **Ron Mc** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 10:53 pm

you must be Out of Production.

Robin Sayler · Post by **Robin Sayler** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 12:45 am

Alot of the reels i collect (can afford right now) are probably not as old as half the people that post on this board but i find them collectable. I just wonder with the shift in where things are being made and the quality of things now if they will even be looked at 50 or 60 years from now.

Reel Geezer · Post by **Reel Geezer** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 8:47 am

Do you guys think reels produced today will ever be considered collectable or be worth anyhing?

Youguy: I wrote two articles about this subject last year - one published in England, and one in our own Reel News. Of course the reels produced today will be collectible and will be worth the investment. Some of them are the finest reels ever produced. Some are made in very limited editions with special colors, tuning, etc. They will be among the most valuable collector reels in the future. Limited production reels of only a few years ago have already increased in value on the secondary market. And these are manufactured as fishing reels, not special collector reels.

I don't collect spinning reels, so I know little about them, however we have many member who can tell you about their increase in value. I do know about casting reels produced in the past 25 years, and many are worth 2-3 times what they were worth just a few years ago. Take this one for example.

SWIM JIG · Post by **SWIM JIG** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 4:01 pm

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jump yay-banana jump canadian usa , ok for a few more reels! Phil, do you have a Ryobi E1 Computor Controlled REEL? My advise and its generaly not worth much! Would be to start colecting computor controled reels! Expensive? posibly , however what will the be worth in 20 years or more!? Phil you are UP on this as you have been into the OFF SHORE sites! you know what I am talking about! Some of these reels are 1, proto type 2 limited testing reels, 3 sales samples! 4 special order reels 5 reels the general public may never see! somewhere someday some palce someone will want a item that never made (REEL HISTORY) One reel tah comes to mind is the (ZEBCO 1970 fresh or Salt water Spinnig reel and ever harder to find the see thru clear modle for the sales reps! I know of 3 of them, BEN WRIGHT has one or posiby several of them, I have only one of them and Clinton Beeler has them) Now , wouldnt been nice to have bought some of those a few years back? remeber, today even in this mass production age , some things dont go over, or sell well, or just dont work well, Case in point( the M-1 lure, made for Casting Rods inc. 6737 brentwood stair road suite 230 Fort worth Texas 76112, it was shot off the end of the rod, same for the Grass Hopper lure both carried the name of ARROW CAST! how many are there today in the original pkg.? ) Can we put away all the reels made starting today? One thing cost may be a factor however space would be the main setback in my thoughts! you people would be wise to by the ODD BALL reels and set on them for 30 years or so! However when you get my age well that 30 years will be afterI am gone to the large trout sterrm in the SKY! again it will mke a good retirement nest egg, and the TAX man ? how will he know? your ohio Conection On Lake Erie Col. Milton lorens aka SWIM JIG

Reel Geezer · Post by **Reel Geezer** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 5:05 pm

Milt: Yes, I have that reel - New in the box.

There was another computer reel, which came earlier. It was put out by Daiwa in 1985. I also have that one, NIB.

If anyone is aware of any other baitcasting reels with computer chips in them I would appreciate hearing from you.

RAM · Post by **RAM** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 6:38 pm

This thing has gotten completely out of control. I stick by the definiton. Actually some really neat reels were made after I was born-especially Supremes! Can't figure why I left out "venerable" as an adjective. Definition: Calling forth respect through age, character, and attainments. How could I have missed that one! Bad Bob
PS- Yo Geezer! It got above 50 degrees today! Got to tie some leaders!

RAM · Post by **RAM** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 6:45 pm

Another PS- Can Beaujolais nouveau served two months old have a vintage? Inquiring minds want to know! Bob again (Unless properly insulted, I will not further comment on this subject!)

Steve · Post by **Steve** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 7:00 pm

Why wait two months? Sure, it has a vintage, defined in weeks instead of years. You could be drinking an April 30-May 6 vintage B.n.

That was a ludicrous question. Care to comment?

Post by **Brian F.** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 9:58 pm

Bob, you've gone absolutely WILD but it must be that weather and I know how you feel - the sun actually came out for a few minutes. It's been like this for a month.

I feel for one of our members who arrived in Kona on Saturday to do some fishing for tuna and mahi at the buoys with his fly reel "of an unknown vintage". I have not yet heard if he actually got out on the water with all of this rain coming down. Maybe he will have an old reel story for us if I can Coxe... I mean coax him to write about it.

Steve · Post by **Steve** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 4:48 pm

C'mon, Bob. Where are you? That was a fairly proper insult.

Harvey · Post by **Harvey** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:32 pm

Hey, You guys leave Bob alone! Things like Bob happen every spring when the snow melts and the water seeps thru the limestone cracks in them thar western Tenn. hills. Of course, it happens more often when that water seeps thru some mash and is Vintage yesterday!
"H"

RAM · Post by **RAM** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:37 am

Steve, that insult was proper, but not proper enough. As an aside, how do they get grape juice to naturally ferment, put it into bottles, and send it worldwide into stores that quick? You, being a biology man, surely know the answer. At your convenience, although many ORCAans are surely anxious to know the answer as well. This is meaningful stuff. Actually, I don't like the darn stuff!. Shalom! Bob

el Lawrence · Post by **el Lawrence** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:00 pm

When I was going to school in france (dates withheld to protect the innocent) the locals drank Nouveau Beaujolais as quickly as it was avalable.
The term Vintage never came into play.

HOWEVER although Vintage is a more helpful term when coupled with a year, it is also correctly used without. I ref. my Websters I use as a trusty foot rest here at the computer... (I remember this thread and seems like someone else made the similar point then too),

Vin-tage n., adj., v., (skipping the usual wine defs.)
..8. The output of a particular time, or style of something produced then: A hat of last year's vintage. 9. Degree of maturity: age: A man of 60 years vintage...
adj., 12. Being or having the best of a particular quality, workmanship, etc.: They praised the play as vintage O'Neill. 13. Being of a past era; representing the high quality of another time: vintage cars; the nostalgia evoked by vintage movies. 14. Old-fashioned; obsolete; outdated: a vintage style of acting that seems laughable today.

I think it is frequently used as def. #13 when talking about reels. So a particular year or date is not always needed (though indeed it IS helpful)... just that it is older.
The term Circa would be the one that DOES require a date or some sort of time indicator to be a useful term... Circa 1853, circa the 1930s...

Although I can call my Irish reels antique, the bulk of the collection of Pfluegers are simply vintage... I try not to collect modern reels.
(I suppose that begs the question of what is modern too... I would use a variation of RAMs def. outlined above... anything younger than me is modern in my book. My age and older is vintage I suppose... older than the oldest geezer in ORCA is antique... or nearly so

Ron Mc · Post by **Ron Mc** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:01 pm

if you'd gone to school across the drink, you'd been drinking fresh Taddy Porter.

el Lawrence · Post by **el Lawrence** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:16 pm

We stuck to 'alf n 'alfs when I was there...

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