Hi Guys,
Does anyone know about Zebco Cardinal reels without a foot number? I have now identified three of these reels. Have they been re-bodied? I'm certain that at least two of them came this way from the factory.
Also, I have an Ambassadeur reel with no model number. It was on a sticker that has gone to that great sticker-heap in the sky. I'll get a pic this afternoon but in the meantime it's black, from 1984 (bulgy side) ABU Garcia. There are two odd things about it. First, it has the narrowest spool I've seen on an Ambassadeur and second, it has a black thumbing piece (plastic) on the back. I have a 4600C fron 1978 with a red one, but the spool is wider on that reel.
I'm especially keen to find out about the absence of foot numbers on the spinners. Is this unusual?
Oh yes, one other thing. A cardinal 3, tan in color, with a foot number of "A1". What's up with that?
Regards,
Clinton
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no serial #s on these reels??
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jump jump usa Clinton, I am looking at my (6) says product of Sweden) NO repeate NO SN anywhere! this is not a rebody or spare parts make up! The person I recived it from is Denny Braun, owner of THE SPORTSMAN OUTPOST! I have been doing reel work for his store for a good many years! He knew I liked reels etc, and gave me this (6) with paperwork and a rather ragged box, also a 7X yhay does have a sn. its a 2 tone brown the x is for faster gear ratio, The 6 was in his store when they were new, he sold these reels to customers, and these and some 4s were the ones he fished with, again they were new reels not rework or replaced parts! The Wholesale House was Baumlers and they are still in business in LorainOhio, andcover PENN OHIO and Michigan. Clint, its my thoughts that these bodys simply didnt get a # on them! My 7 2 tone green says on a Sticker Salt water prooof also the plate say Cardinal 7 ZEBCO! sn is (037207) the ZEBCO 7X Cardinal is two tone Brown marked with a sticker on the rotor cup (totaly corrosen resistant other side of the rotor is a sticker reading (highpeed 5:1 Ball Bearing) I wont have time tonight to get out all the 4s hoever some of the lack serial #s ( I am going on my route wed. I will be stoping in BERLIN OHIO at REDS SPORTING GOODS SHOP to get some repair work, he has beeb in Business from 1946 to now! and has some Cardinals new in the box, also some other older reels, I bought a new old stock ZERO HOUR BOMB, and a new 44 and a new 11, This guy is a treasure trove of items, along with the newest 2006 models. Clint, When I come out to Tulsa next year, I will bring these reels for you to inspect! And I will stay a few extra days or until they run me out of TULSA! We can compare the SNs and those without SNs. Your ohio Conection On Lake ERIE Col. Milton Lorens AKA SWIM JIG Tell your dad I said A BIG HI!
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Hi Clinton and Col. Milt,
there are two thoughts on this from most Abu collectors. one is that these
were end of production runs with no S/N marked on the foot.
the other is as Jean-Paul stated that they were re-bodied reels.
it is thought by most Abu collectors that the reels without s/n's came from
spare parts because Abu did not put s/n's on any that were made for replacement parts.
sure would like to see a pic of the A-1 reel
Ben
there are two thoughts on this from most Abu collectors. one is that these
were end of production runs with no S/N marked on the foot.
the other is as Jean-Paul stated that they were re-bodied reels.
it is thought by most Abu collectors that the reels without s/n's came from
spare parts because Abu did not put s/n's on any that were made for replacement parts.
sure would like to see a pic of the A-1 reel
Ben
could it BE??
jump jump usa Clint and Ben, When I see new reels out of the BOX! there may have been another reason? Posibly a dis honest employee or a sloopy employee? that failed to put the #s in, or as you have thought a body that had yet to be used for production, however I lean on reels that left wiithout #s as rels that could not be traced! Thus sold and all the profit on the first point of sale was a freebie? Ben, Again a (NEW IN THE BOX REEL) without a # and sold thru a wholesaler like the Baumler company , it would be doubtful these were reworks or parts reels? I am gong to Check with (The Rod Makers Shop in Strongsville Ohio, Frank and ray have sold tis brand of reel as of DAY ONE! and they also sell the new black one that is now reproduced, Note parts are not sold reel has to go back to the company! no exceptions! This is just a helpful tip! Get some paste wax, and rub it on the area wher numbers are or leters, let it dry, it will or should turn white, then you can read the #s or letters! As for hard to read #s Mitchel are i my thoughts the hardest to read, most are very lightly put in! Clint, place some wax on that (A1) ket it turn white and snap a pic so BEN can see it! as i recal I saw it it when at your place! Of corse after looking at that many reels>? I canot remeber them all! I do know the one inZEBCOs Musium at the factory does not have a SN! Your Ohio Conection on Lake ERIE Col. Milton Lorens aka SWIM JIG -
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Very interesting, seen there are several from the same place it's not likely they are put-together. Keep us informed.
Now I don't know the situation in the US, but in Europe many many original parts have become available to the public in the last 15 years or so. Companies like Mitchell and ABU (to name the most popular...) distributed repair sets to store-owners (well.. the larger ones) and wholesale companies (Arca, Albatros and Balzer are the 3 most important ones for Mitchell, Arca also distributed ABU at the same time).
These sets could be small field-repair-kits, to full-assembly.
I had confirmed also that Italian reel companies with each order supplied lot's of parts as well. I only want to say most repairs in Europe were done at the fishing store or the wholesale company, sending the reel to the factory was just too expensive. In the last 15 years these stocks have become useless and sold to the public or sold when the stores closed for whatever reason. Nowadays it's easier to find original parts for 1970's ABU and Mitchell than for a 5 year old Shimano...
There a few sellers on Ebay offering original parts on a regular basis.
My point is to be very carefull nowadays when one is offered a strange looking reel... allways a chance it's a put-together (just a general warning, I am not saying yours are !). Some time ago I bought a full-tan ABU Cardinal 4, still have my doubts, but it's probably put together, paid it too much anyway I look at it !
On the picture from my collection a Cardinal 6X body part without serial number
Perhaps there is another way of identifying these parts, that's the mould number. The mould number (or batch number ?) inside this part is 1FP70626. But I don't think anyone has done a study on these numbers yet ? One would need a lot of the same reels and parts to conclude anything from these numbers (if there is anything to conclude at all...)
This picture shows a BIG Abu service box, I was very happy to add this one to my collection, great storage facility !
Now I don't know the situation in the US, but in Europe many many original parts have become available to the public in the last 15 years or so. Companies like Mitchell and ABU (to name the most popular...) distributed repair sets to store-owners (well.. the larger ones) and wholesale companies (Arca, Albatros and Balzer are the 3 most important ones for Mitchell, Arca also distributed ABU at the same time).
These sets could be small field-repair-kits, to full-assembly.
I had confirmed also that Italian reel companies with each order supplied lot's of parts as well. I only want to say most repairs in Europe were done at the fishing store or the wholesale company, sending the reel to the factory was just too expensive. In the last 15 years these stocks have become useless and sold to the public or sold when the stores closed for whatever reason. Nowadays it's easier to find original parts for 1970's ABU and Mitchell than for a 5 year old Shimano...
There a few sellers on Ebay offering original parts on a regular basis.
My point is to be very carefull nowadays when one is offered a strange looking reel... allways a chance it's a put-together (just a general warning, I am not saying yours are !). Some time ago I bought a full-tan ABU Cardinal 4, still have my doubts, but it's probably put together, paid it too much anyway I look at it !
On the picture from my collection a Cardinal 6X body part without serial number
Perhaps there is another way of identifying these parts, that's the mould number. The mould number (or batch number ?) inside this part is 1FP70626. But I don't think anyone has done a study on these numbers yet ? One would need a lot of the same reels and parts to conclude anything from these numbers (if there is anything to conclude at all...)
This picture shows a BIG Abu service box, I was very happy to add this one to my collection, great storage facility !
interesting foot!
jump usa , Snoekjaeger, I just took out a few as new and new in the boxes, cardinal 4 none, not a one have the raised lettering like yours, SWEDEN) the # is 770301) all these marks were put on before the reel was painted or diped etc, that includes the green ones etc. The serial #s seem to have been put on after the reel housing was made, as the Product Of Sweden looks to be cast in the injection process then the SNs are deep into the foot then the reels are painted, dipped or whatever for the color! Posibly these are a special run? Please advise as your Knowledge is far greater than mine! Your ohio conection On Lake ERIE COL. MILTON LORENS aka SWIM JIG -
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I will have to take a closer look at my reels to see how (when) the serialnumbers were stamped in the foot.
I never paid much attention to this really, untill now I allways assumed the SWEDEN (Made in - Built by - ...) was in the mould, and the serial numbers were stamped in at the end of the production process.
Will post what I can find on this.
Here's a picture I forgot to add in my previous reply, the all-tan Cardinal 4...
Jean-Paul
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I never paid much attention to this really, untill now I allways assumed the SWEDEN (Made in - Built by - ...) was in the mould, and the serial numbers were stamped in at the end of the production process.
Will post what I can find on this.
Here's a picture I forgot to add in my previous reply, the all-tan Cardinal 4...
Jean-Paul
B.t.w. snoekjager (snoekjaeger in old Flemish writing) stands for pike- hunter (snoek = pike / jager = hunter), just a nickname I use all over the internet.
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All my reels say "Product of Sweden" except my Zebco Cardinal 156 fly reel. It says "Built By".
Yes the foot was cast without the foot number (clearly) which was added later. Father said there may have been a problem in the manufacturing process ? and that could be why some have no number.
I suppose that it's possible that the foot numbers were put on so that the factory could track any defects (for warranty service) and that this was not necessary for repair kits. Perhaps the lack of such a number means nothing to them.
Did the first production of, lets say, the Cardinal 4 use the exact same parts as the last ones? If none of the parts were ever changed then there's no need for a foot number, but if they did change then the foot number it would be valuable for knowing which parts should be updated.
I don't know. Just a shot in the dark.
Regards,
Clinton
Yes the foot was cast without the foot number (clearly) which was added later. Father said there may have been a problem in the manufacturing process ? and that could be why some have no number.
I suppose that it's possible that the foot numbers were put on so that the factory could track any defects (for warranty service) and that this was not necessary for repair kits. Perhaps the lack of such a number means nothing to them.
Did the first production of, lets say, the Cardinal 4 use the exact same parts as the last ones? If none of the parts were ever changed then there's no need for a foot number, but if they did change then the foot number it would be valuable for knowing which parts should be updated.
I don't know. Just a shot in the dark.
Regards,
Clinton
Zebco Cardinal Numbers
Clinton, Abu used similar lot numering systems on the Ambassadeur reels as they did on their spinning reels. In the early Zebco Caridnal reels the first two digits represented the month of manufacture, the second two digits the year of manufacture, the last two digits the production run in that year. Later on the first two digits represent the year, the second pair the month and the last two the production run. There are differences in the parts from the first to last models, including the connecting links, gears, handles, spools, & probably more. These are the parts I have noticed differences in when working on them. The schematics corresponded with the reel foot numbers. This makes it a lot easier to identify the exact reel and the correct parts for that reel. I have Ambassadeur schematics with the same year and month numbers on the reel foot but with different production run numbers which also use different parts. Randy
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cardinal 6 serial #s
i dug out my three zebco card 6's. they all have :
product of sweden and a serial #(107108, 040706, 730908) on the foot.
i have two zebco cardinal 3's(both say product of sweden and have serial#s:760900 and 741000) and a zebco card 3 frame(no serial #, only says product of sweden). i
also have some zebco cardinal 4's two of them are #740200 and 750200; both also say product of sweden.
black abu garcia cardinal 4's: three of them; one is royal express, two are regular production- all are stamped 84-0 on the foot. i also have a new black frame, also 84-0 on foot.
i have two black abu garica cardinal 3's; both stamped 84-0 on foot.
does anyone have any source for correct paint to redo my wellworn zebcos?
the right answer is yes, woody go:::
thought i might put my two cents worth in. woody in nc
product of sweden and a serial #(107108, 040706, 730908) on the foot.
i have two zebco cardinal 3's(both say product of sweden and have serial#s:760900 and 741000) and a zebco card 3 frame(no serial #, only says product of sweden). i
also have some zebco cardinal 4's two of them are #740200 and 750200; both also say product of sweden.
black abu garcia cardinal 4's: three of them; one is royal express, two are regular production- all are stamped 84-0 on the foot. i also have a new black frame, also 84-0 on foot.
i have two black abu garica cardinal 3's; both stamped 84-0 on foot.
does anyone have any source for correct paint to redo my wellworn zebcos?
the right answer is yes, woody go:::
thought i might put my two cents worth in. woody in nc
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Hi Woody,
The Zebco Cardinal 3 came out in 1975. I have one with a foot number of 750100. You have one from October of '74. The earliest numbers would probably be from March or May of that year. Congratulations!
It looks like the bodies in the repair kits didn't have numbers. I'm still curious about the ones that came from the factory that way.
..And which ABU reel from 1984 had a narrow spool and a black plastic thunbing piece?
Regards,
Clinton
The Zebco Cardinal 3 came out in 1975. I have one with a foot number of 750100. You have one from October of '74. The earliest numbers would probably be from March or May of that year. Congratulations!
It looks like the bodies in the repair kits didn't have numbers. I'm still curious about the ones that came from the factory that way.
..And which ABU reel from 1984 had a narrow spool and a black plastic thunbing piece?
Regards,
Clinton
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Zebco Cardinal and Cardinal No's...
Hi Clinton,
Thanks for drawing my attention to this thread of yours. As I was probably the one that made you start it at the first place, it's even more exciting to read what other collectors have to say about this in some ways delicate question. The Q being, is a no number reel original or isn't it..!?
As you already know and just as J-P is, I am on the "Spare part" believer's list if a # isn't present. But I'm also aware that many an ABU employee had quite big pockets, and some may have been 'testing' the reels or whatever on a regular basis - maybe taking them off of the production line before being numbered and then painted them afterwards. That could even explain a NIB reel, cause any box would also be available when at the factory. I am NOT eager to say this without any proof at all, but it could be the reason to some of the reels having no #'s, if not all of them are from spare part body replacements...?
That "A1" of yours ... wow!
Any pic's Clinton ... pleaaaaaaaaaaaaase
As said to you previously, Clinton and now to all of you, I have always avoided getting a no-nomber reel in my collection. I know a guy with lots of spare parts, and none of his bodies have #'s.
Thanks all ... any more on this thread(?) - it will always be interesting to read and think about.
Thanks,
Bo
Thanks for drawing my attention to this thread of yours. As I was probably the one that made you start it at the first place, it's even more exciting to read what other collectors have to say about this in some ways delicate question. The Q being, is a no number reel original or isn't it..!?
As you already know and just as J-P is, I am on the "Spare part" believer's list if a # isn't present. But I'm also aware that many an ABU employee had quite big pockets, and some may have been 'testing' the reels or whatever on a regular basis - maybe taking them off of the production line before being numbered and then painted them afterwards. That could even explain a NIB reel, cause any box would also be available when at the factory. I am NOT eager to say this without any proof at all, but it could be the reason to some of the reels having no #'s, if not all of them are from spare part body replacements...?
That "A1" of yours ... wow!
Any pic's Clinton ... pleaaaaaaaaaaaaase As said to you previously, Clinton and now to all of you, I have always avoided getting a no-nomber reel in my collection. I know a guy with lots of spare parts, and none of his bodies have #'s.
Thanks all ... any more on this thread(?) - it will always be interesting to read and think about.
Thanks,
Bo
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Hi,
I'm very interested in seeing the A1 as well !
As said before I feel that most reels with no serial numbers are parts-reels, but I allways try to stay open-minded.
There's still a bunch of unknown reels out there, so it's very important to keep bring'm out and discussing them.
The more we find, the more we can learn.
Jean-Paul
I'm very interested in seeing the A1 as well !
As said before I feel that most reels with no serial numbers are parts-reels, but I allways try to stay open-minded.
There's still a bunch of unknown reels out there, so it's very important to keep bring'm out and discussing them.
The more we find, the more we can learn.
Jean-Paul
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A1 - all tan - any other odd ones in here????
Jean-Paul, I see that we are on the very same level here, and I'm very pleased to see that, Mr. Pikehunter (I love pikefishing as well)
Btw. that all tan Cardinal 4 of yours most certainly is also a very interesting reel. I have never seen or heard of it before. Have you ever seen others like it or heard of any others before you got it yourself?
Because Odd Reel(#)s Creates Asthonishment
... any more weirdo-numbered Cardinal's in here should take one step forward
Thanks,
Bo
Btw. that all tan Cardinal 4 of yours most certainly is also a very interesting reel. I have never seen or heard of it before. Have you ever seen others like it or heard of any others before you got it yourself?
Because Odd Reel(#)s Creates Asthonishment
... any more weirdo-numbered Cardinal's in here should take one step forward Thanks,
Bo
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A1 - all tan - any other odd ones in here????
Now that I got your attention...
I have a Garcia Cardinal C4 with a wooden handle on the go from US to me. It's the green/creme coloured one only not the "84-0" marked (Japanese) version, but the Swedish ditto, as it is marked "Product Of Sweden" and "791201" under the foot. I was told by someone long ago that this Swedish version was made as a Cardinal Anniversary model, but I'm not sure at all that this is the case. According to the foot # it should be the 14'th Anniversary of the Cardinal .. or maybe it's the 15'th Anniv.!?
Mine got stolen some years ago and this one is the first one I've seen since I lost mine. It has to be kinda rare, don't you think?
The reel finish on this reel is significantly better than on the 84-0 version, so I would think it was made in Sweden or at least assembled there. If anybody in here is familiar with this reel I'd be most happy to get your opinion on the matter - thanks!
I have a Garcia Cardinal C4 with a wooden handle on the go from US to me. It's the green/creme coloured one only not the "84-0" marked (Japanese) version, but the Swedish ditto, as it is marked "Product Of Sweden" and "791201" under the foot. I was told by someone long ago that this Swedish version was made as a Cardinal Anniversary model, but I'm not sure at all that this is the case. According to the foot # it should be the 14'th Anniversary of the Cardinal .. or maybe it's the 15'th Anniv.!?
Mine got stolen some years ago and this one is the first one I've seen since I lost mine. It has to be kinda rare, don't you think?
The reel finish on this reel is significantly better than on the 84-0 version, so I would think it was made in Sweden or at least assembled there. If anybody in here is familiar with this reel I'd be most happy to get your opinion on the matter - thanks!
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Hello Clinton, I know some Cardinals as well as Abumatics without any lot number on it. I think it`s only a mistake by the workers, who should have been supposed to stamp the number on them.
Moreover, there was another factory called "Muto" fabriken in Sweden where Cardinals and Abumatics were temporally assembled. It is possible these no number reels came from this factory.
Do you know ABU stamped first thirty reels serialized from 1 to 30? I have two examples, one is Cardinal 44 with foot number 18, and another is ABU 333 with foot number 7.
I think your Cardinal with "A1" on the foot would be one of a kind. "A" might represents America while 1 represents serialized number "1". Ambassedeur have same serialized numbering system, at least I know 2500C with number 7 on the foot. Hope this helps Kyo
Moreover, there was another factory called "Muto" fabriken in Sweden where Cardinals and Abumatics were temporally assembled. It is possible these no number reels came from this factory.
Do you know ABU stamped first thirty reels serialized from 1 to 30? I have two examples, one is Cardinal 44 with foot number 18, and another is ABU 333 with foot number 7.
I think your Cardinal with "A1" on the foot would be one of a kind. "A" might represents America while 1 represents serialized number "1". Ambassedeur have same serialized numbering system, at least I know 2500C with number 7 on the foot. Hope this helps Kyo
Sorry I mistyped again! It`s "Multo Fabriken, not Muto. There are still there in Sweden, and you can even see their web site at http://web.telia.com/~u13101111/multo.html. Thanks Kyo
Oh, it doesn{t work good. Here we are! http://web.telia.com/~u13101111/multo.html
New light!
Coincidentally, this thread popped up on a Swedish board yesterday. An unregistered guest dropped in with some eye-opening news. (don't know who, but sort of recognize the literary fingerprint. Will ask later.)
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Thread starts off with the usual, "...got an old Ambassadeur with no serial number, how much is it worth..."
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U_nregistered
If it has no number it means somebody swiped from ABU
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FRB
I hope you were joking. But if that's what you think, I can tell you that the number is stamped on the part before the reel is assembled. So it isn't possible to swipe a complete reel without a number. On the other hand, spare-parts reel stands don't have a number, so presumably the reel got a new one at some time.
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U_nregistered
They do so today, but not before. Then, reels were stamped just before being packed.
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FRB
Holy smokes. Learned something new today too. Still sounds strange from a production-technical point of view though.
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U_registered
Thinking only production-wise it is better to stamp before assembly. But considering that not all reels stands that are stamped are used that week they are supposed to be, it seems more sensible to stamp just before packing.
This change was said to have been implemented in the beginning-middle of the '90's.
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FRB
But in the good ol' days the numbers didn't change very often, or am I mistaken? Today on the other hand, the number of the week is stamped, but it doesn't matter much since every series is pretty much done that week.
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Unregistered Guest
It was a pure sequential number to begin with, but the stamping was done just before packing to make theft difficult. Today they have year of introduction +10, control number, year of manufacture +10 as well as week number.
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FRB
Thanks for the info- it's only morning and I've learned a lot already.
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Well, gosh...
Doc.
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Thread starts off with the usual, "...got an old Ambassadeur with no serial number, how much is it worth..."
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U_nregistered
If it has no number it means somebody swiped from ABU
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FRB
I hope you were joking. But if that's what you think, I can tell you that the number is stamped on the part before the reel is assembled. So it isn't possible to swipe a complete reel without a number. On the other hand, spare-parts reel stands don't have a number, so presumably the reel got a new one at some time.
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U_nregistered
They do so today, but not before. Then, reels were stamped just before being packed.
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FRB
Holy smokes. Learned something new today too. Still sounds strange from a production-technical point of view though.
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U_registered
Thinking only production-wise it is better to stamp before assembly. But considering that not all reels stands that are stamped are used that week they are supposed to be, it seems more sensible to stamp just before packing.
This change was said to have been implemented in the beginning-middle of the '90's.
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FRB
But in the good ol' days the numbers didn't change very often, or am I mistaken? Today on the other hand, the number of the week is stamped, but it doesn't matter much since every series is pretty much done that week.
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Unregistered Guest
It was a pure sequential number to begin with, but the stamping was done just before packing to make theft difficult. Today they have year of introduction +10, control number, year of manufacture +10 as well as week number.
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FRB
Thanks for the info- it's only morning and I've learned a lot already.
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Well, gosh...
Doc.
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From a purely technical standpoint the Ambassadeur foot is chrome thus making it possible to stamp the number at any point in the process. The Cardinal, on the other hand, is painted after the number is stamped into it.
This would mean that for whatever reason (stamping machine is down, they're changing the die, etc.) a deliberate decision was made to allow unnumbered reels to be made. It could be that these were made just for the service department. Given what Len said that could make sense.
As for the Ambassadeurs I find it difficult (though not impossible) to believe that they would take a completed reel with it's comparitively delicate anodized finish and risk scarring it with a stamping die. Is it possible that the last operation during assembly is to attach the foot? If so then the number would be stamped, then the foot attached. That makes sense to me.
If I remember correctly it was Milt who said he had the "A1" reel when he was here a while back. Am I remembering correctly Milt? (If I've had a "brain cramp" does that make me a geezer?)
My favorite 2500C has a beautiful set of hardwood crank knobs. I don't know if it's original or aftermarket, but I'd like to think the factory made nice things like that.
Does anyone know how many reels were in a lot during the 70's and before?
I find the mold numbers interesting. There's a story in those and it might be interesting.
Regards,
Clinton
This would mean that for whatever reason (stamping machine is down, they're changing the die, etc.) a deliberate decision was made to allow unnumbered reels to be made. It could be that these were made just for the service department. Given what Len said that could make sense.
As for the Ambassadeurs I find it difficult (though not impossible) to believe that they would take a completed reel with it's comparitively delicate anodized finish and risk scarring it with a stamping die. Is it possible that the last operation during assembly is to attach the foot? If so then the number would be stamped, then the foot attached. That makes sense to me.
If I remember correctly it was Milt who said he had the "A1" reel when he was here a while back. Am I remembering correctly Milt? (If I've had a "brain cramp" does that make me a geezer?)
My favorite 2500C has a beautiful set of hardwood crank knobs. I don't know if it's original or aftermarket, but I'd like to think the factory made nice things like that.
Does anyone know how many reels were in a lot during the 70's and before?
I find the mold numbers interesting. There's a story in those and it might be interesting.
Regards,
Clinton
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Hi all,
Still a interesting thread this one ...
To my knowledge the Multo factory did only the black Cardinal 50 series reels. I was told that by a SK-Rullen member (Swedish Collector Club/----.) who lives in Örkeljunga - that's where the factory is (still) situated. If he is right about this or not I don't know for sure, but he does have a white bodied and a yellow bodied Cardinal 55, that he claims are from a former worker at the Multo factory. Never seen those reels anywhere else! Haven't examined them myself (wasn't allowed to) so I don't know if they got any foot no's or not. I visited him some 5-6 years ago. Will try asking him about the no's in hope that he still got the reels!
I'm sure there are more to this and I would be very surpriced if it turns out that there are only one answer to the missing foot number question...
Hang in there
Yours,
Bo
Still a interesting thread this one ...
To my knowledge the Multo factory did only the black Cardinal 50 series reels. I was told that by a SK-Rullen member (Swedish Collector Club/----.) who lives in Örkeljunga - that's where the factory is (still) situated. If he is right about this or not I don't know for sure, but he does have a white bodied and a yellow bodied Cardinal 55, that he claims are from a former worker at the Multo factory. Never seen those reels anywhere else! Haven't examined them myself (wasn't allowed to) so I don't know if they got any foot no's or not. I visited him some 5-6 years ago. Will try asking him about the no's in hope that he still got the reels!
I'm sure there are more to this and I would be very surpriced if it turns out that there are only one answer to the missing foot number question...
Hang in there
Yours,
Bo
Multo
Hello Bo, I don`t think Multo only produced Black Cardinal. Indeed, there must had been produced many Abumatics, Cardinals as well as ABU 500 series. that`s why you see some without foot or lot No. on them Kyo