LET'S TALK ABOUT A 1933 PENN SEAFORD--THE HYBRID

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LET'S TALK ABOUT A 1933 PENN SEAFORD--THE HYBRID

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I would like to do this like a picture story. Feel free to correct me or tell me how lucky I am to have found this reel in this condition. Any comment that opens this up to discussion will make me happy.

First I want to say I have been looking for this reel for awhile. I believe Bruce Davis has one but that is the only other one I know of.

Mine is in the box in very good cosmetic and working condition. Mechanically it is absolutely normal with no wear at all. Cosmetically, there is some plating loss and very minor marks on the side plates but no cracks or chips. I know I sound like a listing on EBay but I just want to talk about this reel.

If we all go to the Penn website history section we can see that in late 1933 Penn filled an order for four reels, one of them being a Seaford. Now I have a 1934 or 35 Seaford with 4 pillars which is built on a Long Beach type side plate without a star drag. I knew that a 3 pillar Seaford existed but I had no idea that the 3 pillar version would be so different than the 4. I assumed the 3 pillar Seaford would be built off a Penn Model K sideplate that Penn ordered from Kuhn Jacobs. Penn did use a Kuhn Jacobs side plate for this reel but only on one side. The handle side is not a Jacobs and does not fit in with Penn type technology. It is more like a Pflueger. Here I am thinking that the most important aspect of this reel would be the 3 pillars and it turns out that the free spooling mechanism is the major difference from Penn's other reels.

Time for some pictures:::::::::::::::::

First the box, which is in great condition for a 73 year old box with a completely readable labled. I feel lucky, even though my van broke down today,

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Then the opening and seeing an unusual looking Penn. The first thing that hit my eye was the handle bearing which seems to high for a penn reel.

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Now this is the condition that she came out of the box as. Not bad at all and fully functional. The logo is stating that the reel is Patent Pending but does not match the patent blueprints of the Model F or K. At this point I start wondering what is inside that side plate. The bridge area of the right side plate is round like a Model F or Sea Hawk but there is a free spool lever which does not make sense. This Sea Hawk type side plate has a bridge assembly. A Sea Hawk or Model F does not have a bridge assembly, the handle pulls out to disengage the spool. Questions start bouncing around in my head. There is a lot of space for bouncing in my head. As I turm the reel around to check out the left side plate I see that it is a standard Penn Kuhn Jacobs left side plate with the waffle type clicker button. OK, no surprises on the left side.

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Well, at this point I can not wait any longer. I must open up this reel and check out the guts. There are too many questions created by the outside construction. So, in I go and look what I find. A bridge assembly that pivots on one screw, slides on the other and is actuated by a standard looking Penn free spool lever. A bridge assembly that moves the main gear away from the gear that is mounted on the spool. This is not how Penn disengages a main gear from a pinon gear. This is wrong. This is Pflueger Golden West insides not Penn. But this is a Penn or at best a Penn hybrid. I look for the Circle K brand but can not find it. I would like to see the Penn Patent for this reel, that is supposed to be pending according to the side plate.
When I check the inside of the left side plate I find what I expected, the Circle K brand that identifies the Kuhn Jacobs side plate in its normal configuration. In Penn's first year of production they are already mixing and matching to create new breeds.

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Then there is that crazy streched out spool bearing that fits the traditional Penn wrench perfectly. It barely clears the handle. I can imagine that if the reel gets used enough and the handle gets a slight bend in it the bearing will hit the underside of the handle.

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So there you have my new discovery. I hope this reel opens some new roads into Penn history and raises some questions.

I thank any member that has stayed with me this far. Sometimes I get carried away. :roll:
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Hello back there Mike:

If I didn't know better I would think that you might just be a Penn enthusiast!

A wonderful find for you. Hopefully one day you will have the opportunity to sit down with Otto himself...and get the answers to your questions, straight from the inventor's mouth.

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Hello Jim,

Thanks for the responce, yes I like Penn reels, fished with them all my life.

As for sitting down with OTTO, I think I will put that off for awhile sinse he is passed away and I can only think of one way to do that. :(
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Howdy Mike,

Nice reel and BOX! I don't know that you've left much room for discussion as that's a ton of information already. I would suspect that as more like yourself start looking closer at Penn reels, more variations will surface. Seems very likely based on what you and Nemo have been finding just these past few months. Good luck and keep up the good reporting!
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Thanks for the pat on the back, Brian. You are right about all the info I put down. What's left? It is only a simple reel. I believe it is the fourth reel on the 1933 Jobbers order in the history section of the Penn website which would make it the first generation Penn Seaford and the final reel of introduction for 1933. The unique thing about the reel it is actually a (IMHO) a proto-type Seaford or Sea Ford. Any other later Seaford, I own or have seen, has totally different gearing.

The name of the reel is a question that I was hoping someone would pick up on. On the box, "Sea" and "Ford" are separate words, not so on the reel. Did Otto want to call this reel a Sea Ford or a Seaford? In 1932 Ford Motor Company had a milestone car, that was the year Ford introduced the flat head V8 engine, which was a massive improvement over their Model A engine and became the car of choice for the buying public. Even the criminal John Dillinger wrote Herny Ford a letter thanking him for this great, new 1932 Ford because it made his getaways so much easier. Was Otto trying to link the two in the mind of the buying public? Stranger things have happened.

Ciao Brian

PS__________I still want to know how you got that big fish up the cliff.
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Mike
Yes I have the same three piller Sea Ford and agree with Brian not much else to add but one thing you might check is Pflueger Pat Oct 24 1933 #1932360 I have a letter to Penn from Pflueger Jan 22 1934 stating pat infringement I guess this was worked out as the 1935 Penn Cat. shows Sea Ford with Patented free spool clutch *bass* to Penn 1940593 like all the rest I have ever seen.
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THANK YOU BRUCE.

Again you have come out with a great piece of information. I suspected a borrowing of Pflueger technology in this Sea Ford but never expected anyone to have something from Pflueger about it. I wonder what I have to do for a copy of that letter you have. I would offer you my first born but he is 24 and in college so I do not think you want him. Take my wife, please. <:o)

This is a very interesting piece of information. The jobbers list in the 1930's Penn History section of the Penn web site is dated October 1, 1933. The Pflueger Patent is October 24, 1933. Looks like Mr. Henze got the Sea Ford out just under the wire. I wonder what kind of dealings were going on between Penn and Pflueger and why Penn changed the Sea Ford. After all, the patent was not in place for another three weeks after this jobbers list was done.

Thanks again Bruce.

PS___________I believe the changed Sea Ford to be a much better reel than the original. Possibly that had something to do with Penn's changing of the gears rather than a patent problem. I wonder if we will ever know.
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Mike
Just Email me and give me your Address and I will send you a copy of Pflueger letter to Penn also the reply from Penn to Akron Fishing Tackle Works Inc otherwise The Enterprise Manufacturing Co, only thing I want is please share if any ORCA members want copy or info.
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