It seems that there is a seller that is trying to turn reel collecting into a used car lot. Yea, that's aimed at you (edited by moderator: referring to a specific person in this case is considered an attack so names have been deleted) aka whatever your name is going to be next week. It is not about ripping every reel you can through the back door of EBay so you can rework it to a phony item. Like the screwed up Red Delmar that has been relisted after you told us how important this reel was for you to own. It is not about making enough money so you can spend it on a fishing trip. You have lied too many times, I would not bid one of your items if you listed Kovalovsky for $.99.
Reel collecting is about slowly absorbing the history of a item or brand. It is about learning what has lead us to where we are today. We are collectors, not used reel dealers Maybe you should examine your tactics and you would not be bashed so much or maybe you should try another place to post. I, for one, am tired of all your games.
Well John, I may have missed a alias or two. I have not conducted a total investigation. I only see what bites me.
Jason, you are correct, their are many Penn reels to go around. I just feel that we should deal with each other in a honorable way. That is just me. I feel ORCA has been the kind of place to visit, that is full of people that are into history and collecting. Collecting can be directly connected to the business of buying and selling reels and money can be made from collecting. Nothing wrong with that but this is not Wall Street. This is ORCA. We are here to share with each other and discover things. The money part of it is important but secondary. ORCA's heart is for the collector, not the USED REEL DEALER. If you come off as truly interested in some information, get it and then use that information in a EBay sale time and time again (usually presented improperly), well then, I will no longer share. I do not have the right to judge anyone but I do have the right to evaluate how a person acts and then determine my own reaction. This is my reaction.
Mike, what you say about the philosophy of ORCA is true and for the most part, that is why people join the organization. But if they do not care to join, that is their decision. I need to point out, however, that within the members of ORCA, there are indeed degrees of collectors that run the whole spectrum from those that are more interested in collecting information instead of owning an actual reel to "used reel dealers". I do not believe it is correct to draw a line and say who belongs in the club or not.
There are many, many members that are very active in re-selling, like yourself. Keep in mind that a lot of people who started prior to the internet depended on lists from dealers for buying and selling. In fact, many like myself built our collections with their help. Some of these dealers have moved on to ebay, etc. and have always done well because they are knowledgable when it comes to all types of reels. Resales finance their hobby, whether it be travel to shows, expanding their collection or even making a living. And many of these same "dealers" have played huge roles in the development of ORCA, including sharing knowledge through publications and fellowship at our conventions.
However, the fellows I refer to go about things most of the time in a very professional and courteous manner. In fact, I would say the same for 99.9% of members I've dealt with. People that do not know how to do this will learn sooner or later, one way or another.
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Maybe, in the future, we can refrain from giving him any knowledge to work with and intentionally translate into whatever he thinks will make something more valuable. Let's just emoticon him ...?
I only mentioned ORCA once in any listing, and that was praise for all the knowledge you guys have and telling folks to join if they collect old reels. I collect old reels especially Penn and from time to time I, end up with extra reels and parts. I then put them on Ebay, I never start out the bid at an outrageous amount, and then, let the chips fall where they may. Do I make money? Sometimes yes, most times no. I don't use ebay to make money, just to give people the opportunity to have something they may want that no one locally is intersted in. If I'm wrong for mentioning ORCA in my listing, please forgive me.
I've been collecting reels for about twenty five years now. I've met a lot of collectors and dealers over the years. Penn Reels right now are the hot reels to collect. Their prices are soaring and competition to have a certain model reel is high. This reminds me of when I first started collecting. I remember buying my first Edward Vom Hofe 621 6/0 with a case for $1000.00. Five years later the price was in half. Today the price might reach $400.00 if your lucky. My point? Yes Penn reels are hot and hard to find right now. The early models are bringing big dollars. But these reels were mass produced in the thousands. Most Fishing people owned a Penn Reel sometime in their fishing life. Just as Ebay has provided opportunities to find rare reels, it also provides a "layman" an avenue to research a reel they own and realize the value of it. This in turn provides one person telling another person how much they got for their reel on Ebay and then that person looks and finds his fathers Penn Reel and puts it on Ebay. Before you know it there are twenty Model F Penn reels for sale on Ebay on any given week. In time they will be just as the Edward Vom Hofe 621 reels quite common. This young man in question seems to be very enthused at times about a reel, But then turns around and decides to sell it. He has asked a lot of questions and has received a lot of information from some very knowledgeable people. However if that information is being used to back door a reel thru Ebay, or phoney up a reel and then trying to resell it. I question his ambitions. I think we all at some time have wanted something badly and found out that having it, is not so great a pleasure as wanting it. But at some point the old saying " Fool me once Shame on you, Fool me twice shame on me! " is going to come out.
1949modphil wrote:I only mentioned ORCA once in any listing, and that was praise for all the knowledge you guys have and telling folks to join if they collect old reels. I collect old reels especially Penn and from time to time I, end up with extra reels and parts. I then put them on Ebay, I never start out the bid at an outrageous amount, and then, let the chips fall where they may. Do I make money? Sometimes yes, most times no. I don't use ebay to make money, just to give people the opportunity to have something they may want that no one locally is intersted in. If I'm wrong for mentioning ORCA in my listing, please forgive me.
Phil, I don't believe you are wrong in mentioning the organization, especially to promote it and even if you are not a member. I think what people feel negative about is sellers giving the impression that they are members (when they are not) and using that "membership" to give their listing more credibility. And there is certainly nothing wrong with making money from things you buy and reselling them (see the continuation of my post above).
The kid is young. He is not hiding anything. I have learned an awful lot about different reels and people because of his being a member of our club. It is not an entirely poor situation. Any time there is an exchange of information on this board we all benefit.
He may not be everybodies cup of tea but is is kinda unique. Like I said he is young, he changes his mind alot. He has been able to do what I cannot and that is part with a rare reel. He has turned them into trips where by he learns more about the world around him and the people in it.
We are worlds apart in style but I think because he is who he is he will have had more and varied reels go through his hands than I ever will, and may be the richer for it.
All I can say is when I die I hope my wife and daughter realize there was some value to Dear Old Dad's junk.
To Mike, Brian, John, Richard and all ORCA members and friends:
Each of you have made good points here, and your views are respected and appreciated. We have a great group of folks here. Open, generous and willing to share with others. Unfortunately, sometimes someone comes along who doesn't share our values of honesty and fair play. And this has nothing to do with age. It has everything to do with ethical standards.
In many years of service with our parish St. Vincent DePaul group, there have been thousands of good honest folks whom we have helped. Bless them all. But there have also on occasion been some people who have worked the system: lied, cheated and otherwise taken advantage of folks trying to help those most in need. And whenever this is discovered, these individuals are put on a "Do Not Help" list.
Well I just needed to vent. Making money is a good thing, collecting is also a good thing and we all know the difference between the right and wrong way to do it. Well, almost all of us.
Your vent works just fine. My brother refers to this practice as "checking our pressure relief valve". And sometimes there really is such a thing as justified anger.
Hopefully the young man will clean up his act. I wish him well.
Thank any and all who supported my feelings or simply shared their own. I feel this board is not a place for attacks but I guess it happens. Anyways, in the future I will treat this board like the Think Tank that it truly is. I highly value its existence, the people that share their opinions and knowledge and those that run it.
Maybe you should examine your tactics and you would not be bashed so much or maybe you should try another place to post. I, for one, am tired of all your games. 
(I think I'm just kidding?)