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5000C Ambassador Reel

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Help!
Can you identify a reel I have. It is a 5000C Ambassador that has a direct drive lever on top. I own many Ambassadors but I have never seen one like this. This is a 5000C black and chrome, right hand crank, narrow spool, bait casting reel with a direct drive lever (or button) on top.


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Bob,
Can you add some more photo angles with better light and detail including maybe one of the handle side guts and the serial # on the bottom of the foot?

Tom
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Tom,
Serial number you requested is 57165
I am reluctant to take the handle side plate off. Also of note: Imprint on the off handle siding reads as follows: ABU
Svangsta
Sweden
Could this have been a prototype? None of my other reels have this imprint.
The photos are the best I can do. Any help/info is greatly appreciated.

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Bob,

Does it have "Ambassadeur" & "5000C" above the tail plate spool cap? A photo angle from the front showing better and more detail of the button and its hole would be nice. From your photo angle it doesn't look like any stock ABU part I have ever seen on one of their bait casters so I'm leaning toward the probability of an owner or repair tech mod. Seeing how it is mechanically set up would also answer a lot of questions but I personally have never seen or heard of an optional on/off direct drive on a 5000C, or any other ABU model from that era. It would/should have been made somewhere between late '68 & early '70.

I discussed your specific reel with Fred Ribb, who is a noted authority on Ambassadeurs. Here is his ABU informational page: http://www.lurelore.com/freds/abu.html

These are some of his comments: "I actually own two models with this feature. One is a red 5000 and the other is a red 6000 model. I have seen around 3-4 ABU models with this feature on ebay and have talked to a few people who have owned some as well. The one thing that ALL of these reels had in common was their origin. Everyone I talked to that owned one said it came from Tulsa, Oklahoma or was found in the immediate area around Tulsa. I have found the shape of the switch to be different on some reels but the internal mechanism was the same. It’s a brilliant design and whoever was doing it must have had a machinist’s background. Many years ago, this feature was brought to Simon Shimomura’s attention and he brought the subject up to Lennart Borgstrom who once owned ABU. According to Len’s recollection, he vaguely remembered a small order of reel’s with this feature but Len thought the order came from a small reel shop somewhere in North Texas. I guess we’ll never know.

The reason Simon brought this to the attention of Len Borgstrom was because of the slot cut in the side plate for the switch to protrude – it was anodized in the same color as the reel. This meant the work must have been done at the ABU factory. Both of my reels do not have anodizing in the cut and none of the others I’ve seen had anodizing either. There must have been someone living in or near Tulsa that had connections or ties to someone in the fishing reel industry and somehow they got ABU got involved. Anyway, it seems that ABU did indeed make a few but Len’s memory wasn’t able to remember any more information.

Question.......does the slot cut in that side plate show black anodizing?
Regards Fred"

It looks like there may be a slight possibility that it was factory produced if the slot/hole in the side plate is anodized. If it isn't and is bare metal it was probably a mod which more than likely came from the Tulsa area.

Interestingly enough, Tulsa happens to be Zebco's corporate headquarters and ABU shipped an awful lot of Cardinal reels and parts from Svangsta to Tulsa throughout the '60s and '70s.

I hope that helps answer some of your questions and you update us on whether or not the slot is anodized.

Tom
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For a definative answer send you question with pictures to Fred Ribb...PM me and i can give you his email address.

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Tom,
Yes, the word Ambassador 5000C does appear above the tail plate spool cap.
Bob Hart

Fred,
The slot cut in side plate does NOT show black anodizing. Found the reel in an antique shop in Long Beach, Washington
Bob Hart

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Thanks for the followup Bob. At least now we know it fits into Fred's non-factory theory, which was my original thought process. That's why I was hoping for a better photo angle of the slot and button.

Nice reel, BTW. :cool

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I have to agree with the others. This ambassaduer doesn't appear to be a factory prototype or equivalent there of. It is not any abu Garcia part that I have ever seen.
I have seen ebay postings of the tackle shop in Oklahoma trying to sell abu Garcia reels as some type of prototypes...I am not sure how true my memory is but I think I read that they have a lot of these reels they are trying to sell...so beware....Between Simon Shimomura's books and Daniel Skupien's I don't believe this is a factory prototype...but...Lol there is always exceptions to abu...Lol.
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Shawn, thanks. I am satisfied with the feedback from Tom and Fred. And I am glad that I joined the ORCA community for this research. The serial denotes a '68 to '70 series of this reel and I am surprised to hear that a shop in Oklahoma is selling this reel. Do you have any more information of what shop is selling this so I can make an inquiry? Thank you.

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Hi guys - new here but on the same topic. I just inherited this Ambassador De Luxe 5000. I’m more of a gun collector, so I’d love for this to go to someone who would appreciate it. I’m open to offers if anyone is interested. Also, not sure if picture is uploading, let me know. Thanks a lot, Matt.
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Well, now that this eight year old thread has been awakened, I can add that here was an article about these direct-drive modified reels by author Russell Christiansson in a recent issue of the ORCA magazine, Reel Talk.
The short story is that the parts were made by ABU in small numbers and resold by a wholesaler or retailer in the USA. I was under the impression that the article indicated that the reels gravitated towards the Pacific Northwest, perhaps for mooching salmon.

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