I believe I possibly misled some Shakespeare collectors when I told them I had a reel other than the "Model C" that was labeled as "hand made by Wm Shakespeare Jr". I can't trust my memory. Here are links to pics of the reel. Obviously, it's simply marked "hand made quadruple" on the tail plate.
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The Wm Shakespeare Hand Made Quadruple
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Wow!
Joe, this is another "holy grail" reel. I wonder how many are known to exist?
Thanks for sharing.
Robyn
Thanks for sharing.
Robyn
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Wm.Shak.Jr. Quad Hand made
Rob.--I`m lucky to have another. Joe`s is prettier. Harvey probably has
one, I know Fred Kerr had one. Maybe more will fess up to ownership ?
---Jack
one, I know Fred Kerr had one. Maybe more will fess up to ownership ?
---Jack
Shakespeare described the reel in his second patent, though it doesn't show up in the 1903 or 1904 catalogs, at least the copies I have. It probably had a short life span. The patent claimed the frame design and the click. I'd guess the rubber plates cracked fairly easily; they weren't the thick slabs made by the Vom Hofes and others. Marhoff and W.S. already were designing other clicks by the time this patent was granted, and they probably already preferred the rubber sandwiches used in the Standard, et al.
Over the years, I've seen a lot more of these reels than, say, Model C's, but they're fairly unobtrusive and easily overlooked. And the plating is usually half gone, making it even more ignorable. And it sounds as if the company didn't sell any in Texas.
Over the years, I've seen a lot more of these reels than, say, Model C's, but they're fairly unobtrusive and easily overlooked. And the plating is usually half gone, making it even more ignorable. And it sounds as if the company didn't sell any in Texas.
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How's this for a coincidence: I just logged on to Reel Talk after reading up to see what Steve Vernon had to say about the Quad, and there's a post from the man himself.
I'm pleased to hear they might be more plentiful than the Style Cs, and a nice Hand Made Quad is now at the top of my Want List.
Jack, would you consider trading yours for a 40-yard Perfect?
Robyn
I'm pleased to hear they might be more plentiful than the Style Cs, and a nice Hand Made Quad is now at the top of my Want List.
Jack, would you consider trading yours for a 40-yard Perfect?
Robyn
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40 yd. Perf.
Rob.--WOW! You have me between the proverbial Rock and you know
where ! I`m about to hit the sack and if I can`t get to sleep because of
you XX###****!
where ! I`m about to hit the sack and if I can`t get to sleep because of
you XX###****!
Hand made by WHOM!
cool-thumb USA Ok, i know the fish hooks are being set, However just because a reel says ( Hand Made) dosent mean that a certain person made it, after all shakespere had many employes and other outside personal that done work for them, ( a case in point was the proto type autos, did any Ford faimly member actualy make or build the first 1955 T-Bird? did any hand made product unless actual mention or ref. was made ment that a Person actualy made a item! there are some well known items that were made by company owners, or the named person, I would say this , the Company records of shakespere are still around and The grandson mane a well heard talk at the Lansing nationals to this effect! even letting us see original records, (please check with him) as ORCA has his address. That will solve the facts. Most reels were at one time hand made or assembled, however unless file marks, or other identifing marks or name or initials are present ,then the answere is yet to be found. Your ohio conection On Lake ERIE, Col. M. lorens aka SWIM JIG-
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Come on Milt! Take it from some guys that know. These were made by Shakespeare and you can take that to the bank. If you had paid any attention, in the Shakespeare display of cut-away reels that the MSU has, there is one in it. We saw it in Lansing
Steve is right. They were very thin. I have seen a few over the years that were broken up from that being the fact. I have never seen any paper work about them but seems to me, without digging, that Ed Corwin found some information that they were made in 1901 only. He did an artical for the "Reel News" years ago about the "C" and I think it was included in that.
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Steve is right. They were very thin. I have seen a few over the years that were broken up from that being the fact. I have never seen any paper work about them but seems to me, without digging, that Ed Corwin found some information that they were made in 1901 only. He did an artical for the "Reel News" years ago about the "C" and I think it was included in that.
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LOOK again!!
USA Note i didnt say it wasent hand made I said Not bt Wm JR personaly! most reels were either fitted , made or asembled by hand! at that time, I to have a early wm. Shakespere jr its the Standard Reel no2S patents applied for on the tail plate& Wm.Shakespere Jr. KLAMAZOO MICH on the head plate most likly the same era? very small reel with hard rubber both ends sandwiched between metal plates both ends! no marking on the foot has ridged click and drag adj one on each side of the reel. counter bal handle. handle knob is wood green in color. The question is and read joes original did Wm jr personaly make the reel or did (HUMAN hands and beings make the reel of unknown named individuals? If there is a reel that say made by and the owners name It would comand a very high primium! as for hand made and thiner plates etc its still a nice item of history and most likly strong value! yes harvy I saw the cut aways etc I donot recall it saying made by Wm shakesper jr only hand made ? Did I miss somthing? advise as i stand to be corrected! Your Ohio conection on Lake erie Col. M. lorens aka SWIM JIG-
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Milt,
Just a footnote. In 1887 WS started business in th third floor of the Water St. Building with four employes with one being Walter Marhoff. Some one had to be an floor sweeper so it would be a good bet that William touched the reels during production. When they mover to the Traction Building it was in 1904 with 10 emploies. So I would say three years prior te them moving, he probably still had a hand in the art of making reels. after all he was a shutter maker before the tackle business. He was known to get his hands dirty way after 1904.
Juat some thoughts of reasoning on my part,
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Just a footnote. In 1887 WS started business in th third floor of the Water St. Building with four employes with one being Walter Marhoff. Some one had to be an floor sweeper so it would be a good bet that William touched the reels during production. When they mover to the Traction Building it was in 1904 with 10 emploies. So I would say three years prior te them moving, he probably still had a hand in the art of making reels. after all he was a shutter maker before the tackle business. He was known to get his hands dirty way after 1904.
Juat some thoughts of reasoning on my part,
"H"
I think you meant 1897
Hi Harvey,
I think you meant 1897 instead of 1887...as the neat Douglas Stewart article you sent me showed...just a typo I am SURE.
Anyway, interesting thread...been digging through some old materials on Shakespeare I know he is reported to have made his first reel in 1896 and got his first patent later that year. So I am assuming it is at the end of that year and more probably 1897 that Shakespeare first began producing reels in large numbers.
The first ad I have come up with, however, is September 1898...do you (or Steve or anyone else) know of earlier ads? I am trying to upload the image of the ad in this post...hopefully it will work!
Oh, Harvey or anyone, I know the connection between Stephen Roe and Shakespeare, do you know if Shakespeare was also connected to Dr. Derk P. Yonkerman, who sold a very similar contemporary medicinal product as the original Shakespeare/Roe item? Do you know if the building on Water Street (before the move to the Traction Building in 1904) was ever called the Shakespeare Building?
Anyway glad to have free time again to look at the important stuff, like fishing tackle...
Note also the ad in late 1898 stated that each reel was hand made and that experts were hired to produce them; Shakespeare was certainly an "expert" so it certainly is a reasonable hypothesis that he had a hand in the early years in both manufacturing and quality control. From what I've read about the man in contemporary accounts, it seems highly unlikely he would let a reel out of his factory at this time without having tinkered with it.
Cheers,
Dr. Todd E.A. Larson
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I think you meant 1897 instead of 1887...as the neat Douglas Stewart article you sent me showed...just a typo I am SURE.
Anyway, interesting thread...been digging through some old materials on Shakespeare I know he is reported to have made his first reel in 1896 and got his first patent later that year. So I am assuming it is at the end of that year and more probably 1897 that Shakespeare first began producing reels in large numbers.
The first ad I have come up with, however, is September 1898...do you (or Steve or anyone else) know of earlier ads? I am trying to upload the image of the ad in this post...hopefully it will work!
Oh, Harvey or anyone, I know the connection between Stephen Roe and Shakespeare, do you know if Shakespeare was also connected to Dr. Derk P. Yonkerman, who sold a very similar contemporary medicinal product as the original Shakespeare/Roe item? Do you know if the building on Water Street (before the move to the Traction Building in 1904) was ever called the Shakespeare Building?
Anyway glad to have free time again to look at the important stuff, like fishing tackle...
Note also the ad in late 1898 stated that each reel was hand made and that experts were hired to produce them; Shakespeare was certainly an "expert" so it certainly is a reasonable hypothesis that he had a hand in the early years in both manufacturing and quality control. From what I've read about the man in contemporary accounts, it seems highly unlikely he would let a reel out of his factory at this time without having tinkered with it.
Cheers,
Dr. Todd E.A. Larson
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Todd, maybe this will answer some of your questions.
Some points of interest in the early life of William Shakespeare Jr.:
William Shakespeare, Being one of the “Kalamazoo Boys” rose to Sergeant then to Second Lieutenant in the regular army. While his regiment charged at Jackson Miss. On July 11, 1863, he was wounded and returned home early. He had received two broken legs and absorbed seven bullet wounds . He waited 33 days in Cincinnati before medical treatment could be had. He spent the next seven months on his back and was discharges with a disability in 1864. He went back to work for the Army, overseeing the work of the local draft commissioners. When the war ended and at age 21, He tried editing the Kalamazoo Gazette for a year. In 1867 he married and turned to store keeping and studying law in his spare time. In 1878, he joined Nathaniel Balch’s law firm and spent the rest of his life in Kalamazoo. At this time, he started to develop the “Shakespeare Block” which included the Central Bank of Kalamazoo which he became president of in 1896. Around this time he was beginning to have an interest in designing and making a better fishing reel. A business venture between William and a Garrett W. Lowe produced the Kalamazoo Shutter company. The business stayed in business for a couple years and after Lowe died in the late 1890”s, the company folded. William used his skills as an inventor to tinker with the ideas of a fishing reel. He later recalled that “ while seated on the edge of the bed engaged in pulling off his sock, he visualized the principal of this reel” In the middle 1890’s, using the jewelers lath, he built his first practical reel. By 1896, he had designed a sophisticated lightly applied drag that prevented the reel form over run. Securing a patent for his “wonder reel” in 1986 he began marketing his new reel along with other fishing equipment. To fund this endeavor, he needed cash. Kalamazoo had became a hotbed for medical concoctions and scams and William jumped in with both feet. The Kalamazoo entrepreneurs were offering all kind of “Cures”. If you had a bad complexion, you could visit Madam A. L. Hobbs for her treatment of “Skin Bleacher”. It was known to help with the problem of “moth patches, brown spots, wrinkles, freckles and pimples". If you are going bald, try stopping at the corner of Michigan and Portage Street and pick up a bottle of “Harrison Hair Hastener” (HHH) offered by the Excelsior Medicine Company. If you suffered from rheumatism, neuralgia, kidney trouble, lame back, toothache, diarrhea, cramps, cuts, burns, and aches of all kinds, (I ain’t makin’ this stuff up folks, it is in a book) just lie down two bits for a bottle of ‘Odell’s Wonderful Oil”. The Ransom street manufacturer, John A Ver West also noted that his nostrum was ’Fine for horses with a case of strains or stomach ache” . If your problems consisted of any of the following, “a bearing down feeling, a sense of impending evil, depressed sprits, dark rings under the eyes and other troubles, all you needed was a package of Mrs. Charles Simpson’s “Opaline Suppositories”. Mrs. Simpson also offered a box of “Vanderhoff’s Bedwetting Cure” for those in need. If you were too far away from Kalamazoo to make a visit in person, no problem. Just send in for a form from The Physio-Medical Institute that contained all the questions that pertained to every disease known to medical science. Upon answering these questions, you would receive information from J. Gore Gallerher telling you what to do to get well. Of course, a fee would be charged.
Fir those the desired a “medical bath” could visit Bowditch B. Frazee in the basement at 305 E. Michigan St. for your choice of a “Steam, electrical, saline, medical shower and needle, sulfur, tonic, hydro-path, pack, sitz herb, or antiseptic shower.” Just what you need, An electrical and needle bath.
Now for Kalamazoo’s greatest medical scam! It was perpetrated by the Yonkerman Consumption Remedy Company which operated somewhere in the Mansard building at the corner of Rose and Water Street. It was originally the home of the Lawrence & Chapin Iron Works and housed the Shakespeare Manufacturing Company. The front man, Dr. Derk P. Yonkerman was a registered Veterinarian. William patented the brand name of a remedy called ’Tuberculozyne” and became a silent partner of Dr. Yonkerman.
Yonkerman was selling his magic cure for $10.00 a bottle and stated that it should be taken for at least a month rather than for a few days. This endeavor supplied the funds for William to proceed with his tackle business. With the passing of the “Pure Food and Drug Act“ in 1906, Yonkerman toned down his business in America and looked to business over seas. In 1916, the Australian government banned the importation of their remedy and the company ceased operation. The forwarding address was to the Shakespeare company.
William continued to make fishing tackle and Dr. Yonkerman opened up a Veterinary Surgeon’s business. That ended the medical endeavor of William Shakespeare.
Below you will find an add for the Yonkerman company dating around 1908.
Most of this information came from a book, ‘Kalamazoo, The Place Behind The Products” by Massie and Schmitt, ISBN 0-89781-037-6.
Some points of interest in the early life of William Shakespeare Jr.:
William Shakespeare, Being one of the “Kalamazoo Boys” rose to Sergeant then to Second Lieutenant in the regular army. While his regiment charged at Jackson Miss. On July 11, 1863, he was wounded and returned home early. He had received two broken legs and absorbed seven bullet wounds . He waited 33 days in Cincinnati before medical treatment could be had. He spent the next seven months on his back and was discharges with a disability in 1864. He went back to work for the Army, overseeing the work of the local draft commissioners. When the war ended and at age 21, He tried editing the Kalamazoo Gazette for a year. In 1867 he married and turned to store keeping and studying law in his spare time. In 1878, he joined Nathaniel Balch’s law firm and spent the rest of his life in Kalamazoo. At this time, he started to develop the “Shakespeare Block” which included the Central Bank of Kalamazoo which he became president of in 1896. Around this time he was beginning to have an interest in designing and making a better fishing reel. A business venture between William and a Garrett W. Lowe produced the Kalamazoo Shutter company. The business stayed in business for a couple years and after Lowe died in the late 1890”s, the company folded. William used his skills as an inventor to tinker with the ideas of a fishing reel. He later recalled that “ while seated on the edge of the bed engaged in pulling off his sock, he visualized the principal of this reel” In the middle 1890’s, using the jewelers lath, he built his first practical reel. By 1896, he had designed a sophisticated lightly applied drag that prevented the reel form over run. Securing a patent for his “wonder reel” in 1986 he began marketing his new reel along with other fishing equipment. To fund this endeavor, he needed cash. Kalamazoo had became a hotbed for medical concoctions and scams and William jumped in with both feet. The Kalamazoo entrepreneurs were offering all kind of “Cures”. If you had a bad complexion, you could visit Madam A. L. Hobbs for her treatment of “Skin Bleacher”. It was known to help with the problem of “moth patches, brown spots, wrinkles, freckles and pimples". If you are going bald, try stopping at the corner of Michigan and Portage Street and pick up a bottle of “Harrison Hair Hastener” (HHH) offered by the Excelsior Medicine Company. If you suffered from rheumatism, neuralgia, kidney trouble, lame back, toothache, diarrhea, cramps, cuts, burns, and aches of all kinds, (I ain’t makin’ this stuff up folks, it is in a book) just lie down two bits for a bottle of ‘Odell’s Wonderful Oil”. The Ransom street manufacturer, John A Ver West also noted that his nostrum was ’Fine for horses with a case of strains or stomach ache” . If your problems consisted of any of the following, “a bearing down feeling, a sense of impending evil, depressed sprits, dark rings under the eyes and other troubles, all you needed was a package of Mrs. Charles Simpson’s “Opaline Suppositories”. Mrs. Simpson also offered a box of “Vanderhoff’s Bedwetting Cure” for those in need. If you were too far away from Kalamazoo to make a visit in person, no problem. Just send in for a form from The Physio-Medical Institute that contained all the questions that pertained to every disease known to medical science. Upon answering these questions, you would receive information from J. Gore Gallerher telling you what to do to get well. Of course, a fee would be charged.
Fir those the desired a “medical bath” could visit Bowditch B. Frazee in the basement at 305 E. Michigan St. for your choice of a “Steam, electrical, saline, medical shower and needle, sulfur, tonic, hydro-path, pack, sitz herb, or antiseptic shower.” Just what you need, An electrical and needle bath.
Now for Kalamazoo’s greatest medical scam! It was perpetrated by the Yonkerman Consumption Remedy Company which operated somewhere in the Mansard building at the corner of Rose and Water Street. It was originally the home of the Lawrence & Chapin Iron Works and housed the Shakespeare Manufacturing Company. The front man, Dr. Derk P. Yonkerman was a registered Veterinarian. William patented the brand name of a remedy called ’Tuberculozyne” and became a silent partner of Dr. Yonkerman.
Yonkerman was selling his magic cure for $10.00 a bottle and stated that it should be taken for at least a month rather than for a few days. This endeavor supplied the funds for William to proceed with his tackle business. With the passing of the “Pure Food and Drug Act“ in 1906, Yonkerman toned down his business in America and looked to business over seas. In 1916, the Australian government banned the importation of their remedy and the company ceased operation. The forwarding address was to the Shakespeare company.
William continued to make fishing tackle and Dr. Yonkerman opened up a Veterinary Surgeon’s business. That ended the medical endeavor of William Shakespeare.
Below you will find an add for the Yonkerman company dating around 1908.
Most of this information came from a book, ‘Kalamazoo, The Place Behind The Products” by Massie and Schmitt, ISBN 0-89781-037-6.
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Hey John! Is it 'Shooting from the Hip" or "Hooting from the Lip"?
And the CIA, isn't that the 'Confused Intelligence Agency"? I know alot of people that should be on their watchlist!
And Robyn, Just put the "Lime in the Coconut" and Drink it all Down. Put the "Lime in the Coconut" and Drink them both together, Put the "Lime in the Coconut", it will make you "Feel Better! About three doses of that medicine will cure anything.
"H"
And the CIA, isn't that the 'Confused Intelligence Agency"? I know alot of people that should be on their watchlist!
And Robyn, Just put the "Lime in the Coconut" and Drink it all Down. Put the "Lime in the Coconut" and Drink them both together, Put the "Lime in the Coconut", it will make you "Feel Better! About three doses of that medicine will cure anything.
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Robyn and all you others: The Rubber Reel Lady could use a bit of all those cures now. 5 AM Saturday morning found us at the Emergency room of our hospital. Marilyn had terrible chest pains but after some treatment those went away, but she still had stomach pains. They put her in the ICU and ran all kinds of tests Saturday PM and Sunday AM. Finally around noon Sunday they told her that her appendix was really inflamed and was going to come out within the hour. It was removed and she is now doing much better. I think she will be coming home tomorrow, but will have to go back for more tests after recuperation, for they still don't know what caused those pains that brought us to the hospital in the first place.
It was a long weekend.
It was a long weekend.
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Phil:
And I thought I had a bad day! Tell "The Rubber Reel Lady" that we are all thinking about her and hoping that it isn't anything serious. If the truth be known, I would bet that 'Bert" has a Voodoo doll hidden somewhere as a pay back for being left at home from Columbia Lakes. The first thing is to get "The First Lady of Reel Collecting" well and back on her feet so we will have one less worry! We can't do without her as she is the one that fills in all the important information when Phil starts telling stories.
Keep us posted!
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And I thought I had a bad day! Tell "The Rubber Reel Lady" that we are all thinking about her and hoping that it isn't anything serious. If the truth be known, I would bet that 'Bert" has a Voodoo doll hidden somewhere as a pay back for being left at home from Columbia Lakes. The first thing is to get "The First Lady of Reel Collecting" well and back on her feet so we will have one less worry! We can't do without her as she is the one that fills in all the important information when Phil starts telling stories.
Keep us posted!
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Harvey,
A quick note to the Rubber Reel Lady, best wishes on a speedy recovery...
Harvey, thanks for the info...fascinating stuff. Thought you'd like to see a pic of William Shakespeare's friend and bankroll Dr. Yonkerman, a 1902 ad taken from (appropriately) the Police Gazette! Note in the ad that the building that housed Yonkerman in 1902 (and presumably Shakespeare Fishing Tackle) was known as The Shakespeare Building...
Fascinating how the medical establishment was so unregulated back then...
Anyway, do you know of an earlier ad than the 1898 one I posted last time?
Sincerely,
Dr. Todd E.A. Larson
A quick note to the Rubber Reel Lady, best wishes on a speedy recovery...
Harvey, thanks for the info...fascinating stuff. Thought you'd like to see a pic of William Shakespeare's friend and bankroll Dr. Yonkerman, a 1902 ad taken from (appropriately) the Police Gazette! Note in the ad that the building that housed Yonkerman in 1902 (and presumably Shakespeare Fishing Tackle) was known as The Shakespeare Building...
Fascinating how the medical establishment was so unregulated back then...
Anyway, do you know of an earlier ad than the 1898 one I posted last time?
Sincerely,
Dr. Todd E.A. Larson
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Todd,
Ya got me! Never seen that address before. Wish they would listed a Street name but when YOU are the only preson the can cure Consumption and Lung Troubles, I guess your address isn't important. And besides it would let the unsatified users know which building to burn down! That Yonkerman ad is GREAT!
The earliest ad that I have comes from a magazine (The Amateur Sportsman and Sportsman Magazine) in 1902 and the address is listed as 239 Shakespeare Buliding, Kalamazoo. No street name again. Somewhere in my grey matter the number of 209 Water Street seems to ring a bell but I don't know where or what gives me that idea. I will look thru some piles of stuff and see if I can come up with that address and let you know.
And around 1900 is the earliest ads I have ever seen. I haven't seen any as early as yours but now I know they exist.
Thanks and keep on lookin'
"H"
Ya got me! Never seen that address before. Wish they would listed a Street name but when YOU are the only preson the can cure Consumption and Lung Troubles, I guess your address isn't important. And besides it would let the unsatified users know which building to burn down! That Yonkerman ad is GREAT!
The earliest ad that I have comes from a magazine (The Amateur Sportsman and Sportsman Magazine) in 1902 and the address is listed as 239 Shakespeare Buliding, Kalamazoo. No street name again. Somewhere in my grey matter the number of 209 Water Street seems to ring a bell but I don't know where or what gives me that idea. I will look thru some piles of stuff and see if I can come up with that address and let you know.
And around 1900 is the earliest ads I have ever seen. I haven't seen any as early as yours but now I know they exist.
Thanks and keep on lookin'
"H"
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Hi Harv,
Doc Yonkerman is hilarious! Yes to have a monopoly on consumption cure, what a deal. Knowing that consumption was a significant problem one can surmise that he (and Wm. Shakespeare) probably made a pretty penny before they got shut down. I once heard a VERY old friend of my father (who is nearly 80) call Kalamazoo "Quakamazoo" and I guess it must be because of the Yonkermans of the world.
I think I have a picture ad from 1898 or 1899 showing a Shakespeare reel I will try and dig up. At least I think so, I've got to clean someday so I can get at things easier...
Let me know if you need better quality scans of the ads for your files.
Sincerely,
Todd
Doc Yonkerman is hilarious! Yes to have a monopoly on consumption cure, what a deal. Knowing that consumption was a significant problem one can surmise that he (and Wm. Shakespeare) probably made a pretty penny before they got shut down. I once heard a VERY old friend of my father (who is nearly 80) call Kalamazoo "Quakamazoo" and I guess it must be because of the Yonkermans of the world.
I think I have a picture ad from 1898 or 1899 showing a Shakespeare reel I will try and dig up. At least I think so, I've got to clean someday so I can get at things easier...
Let me know if you need better quality scans of the ads for your files.
Sincerely,
Todd