Shakespeare President Question

Jim Nedela · Post by **Jim Nedela** » Sun May 22, 2005 5:12 pm

Found a new in the box President reel, oiler, papers, arbor, and a screwdriver. My question is the screwdriver a Shakespeare product, or just put in the box by a previous owner? There are no markings on it, but the guy swears he got the screwdriver in the box when purchased new. Here is a lnk to a pic of it, thanks, Jim.

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SWIM JIG · Post by **SWIM JIG** » Sun May 22, 2005 9:20 pm

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USA Jim, it may be, however it does not look like the one in the original blue print I have dated 1948! If you will send me a stamped business size envelope with your return address I will send you a copy of the blue print! ( its called pc#149 or tool #7217c thats the handle the shaft is tool #7217a and the tapered part that fits the screw slots is (Tool #7217-B , yours looks close except the knob is different. I will put my Shakespere on the factory Blue Print! Your Ohio Conection on Lake ERIE, Col. Milton Lorens 759 TERRA Lane Amherst Ohio 44001-1116-07) also known as SWIM JIG.

Jim Nedela · Post by **Jim Nedela** » Sun May 22, 2005 10:08 pm

and thanks, Col., I will get a envelope out tomorrow. Hope this turns out to be the right one for the reel. The tip of the screw driver is removable and has a "blade" on both ends, different sizes. Jim.

Harvey · Post by **Harvey** » Mon May 23, 2005 12:32 pm

Jim & Milt,
I don't believe that is the correct screwdriver. It looks more like a Jewelers or Eyeglasses screwdriver. The correct one should be one of the ones circled in red.

Of the flat metal ones, the first one (on the left) is very early, pre 1916. The second one was furnished in spincast reels and the third was used from around 1923 to maybe the war. Your's is circled. The last one was in boxes of much later and bigger reels.
As for the wooden handles, Those were furnished with the upper end reels from maybe 1932 till around 1958. They could also be purchased from the catalogue as an additional item. Jim Madden have discussed the unmarked blond handle ones which he has found in South Bend boxes but they also have appeared in Shakespeare boxes too. Most of the dark brown handle ones are marked "Shakespeare" on the sleeve that holds the driver blade.
That's my opinion. LOL! I would also like to see what Milt is talking about. I have never seen "Blue Print" that Milt has mentioned.
"H"

SWIM JIG · Post by **SWIM JIG** » Mon May 23, 2005 4:33 pm

cool-thumb USA yikes! Harvy I thought I showed you that at Lansing, gues not ok , I will get one in the mail in next day or so, i have your address, is it still (1 sand beach with nice looking girls ft lauderdale? ok I have your mailing address if its still in the ORCA directory. anyother blue print tools you want a copy of? Your Ohio conection on Lake Erie Col. M. Lorens aka SWIM JIG

Harvey · Post by **Harvey** » Mon May 23, 2005 6:56 pm

Thanks Milt.
Nope, I didn't see it. Thanks and I will send you a stamp.
"H"

Jim Madden · Post by **Jim Madden** » Mon May 23, 2005 8:38 pm

Harvey, you're not going to believe this, but I found this in a President box, and it's my favorite screwdriver.

http://orcaonline.org/images/pixel.gif?5cd2xz

Harvey · Post by **Harvey** » Mon May 23, 2005 9:30 pm

HOLY-MOLY! I stand corrected! Never seen one of those before. (Why didn't you show me that before I made a fool of myself?) That is just the 537,183,084th. mistake I have made this year! Now, for my final statement and I will SHUT UP, what is the model number on the reel Jim?
Thanks for the picture. It is in my files!
Harvey

Post by **john elder** » Mon May 23, 2005 9:30 pm

Jim: I have that exact same screwdriver...can't recal for sure where it came from, but suspect it was in one the old tackle boxes I've picked up in the last few years...likely not a shakes box, but certainly from a box with shakes parts.

Jim Nedela · Post by **Jim Nedela** » Mon May 23, 2005 10:03 pm

Came with a President Model 1970. Here is a close up.

http://pic14.picturetrail.com/VOL524/62 ... 605027.jpg

Reelman · Post by **Reelman** » Mon May 23, 2005 10:29 pm

I picked up the same screwdriver with the two tips and other tools in a box of reel parts I picked up last year. It was mostly Shakespeare parts.

Merv

Jim Madden · Post by **Jim Madden** » Mon May 23, 2005 10:49 pm

Harv - It was the reel that Jim N. pictured, but I don't remember the box. I sold the reel and box and kept the tool. The rubber top fits in the palm and stays home while you apply pressure and turn the shaft. It's very comfortable and fits the SP and SB screws perfectly. I wish I had a backup. As for the mistake, misery loves company. Every time I think I've got an area covered, something new comes along (Like that Winchester made South Bend fly reel). I held back because I figured you'd just come on and show 15 variations of the thing. I kind of enjoyed that!

John, you got an extra one for Harvey?

Post by **john elder** » Mon May 23, 2005 11:10 pm

well, shoot...I like it too! Really works nicely, although the top typically unscrews as you turn the driver with the top in your palm...sigh...should go to a Shakesman, clearly...Harvey...it's yours if you want it!

Harvey · Post by **Harvey** » Tue May 24, 2005 8:50 am

John,
You should know me by now! I never look a gift horse in the mouth. Just send it and the bill to 'The Garrison Collection of Junk", Somewhere in Sunny South Fla.
H"
Dag-Nab-It, Now I will have to redo my display of tools!

SWIM JIG · Post by **SWIM JIG** » Tue May 24, 2005 9:52 am

jester yay-banana cool-thumb USA Ok harvy that pack of drawings is on its way! I even made them on the color copier so they look like my originals, once you see them hahah you will know I was very close to get original blue prints! I got there before you did ha ha ha ho! harvy I offered you the use of my liabray if you came to the (RAT HOLE) so you could do research, the offer is still open to you! Now the thought is! hoy will start to make repro tools when the blue prints get out? Ok I got work to do, cannot go site seeing all day like some people I wont mention, now go rearange your tools, and when are you going to learn how to use them? One thought to think about, once you see the knob for the screwdriver, well check it against a handle knob, its the same size and made of wood! Your Ohio Conection on Lake ERIE at 54degrees this date, Col. M. Lorens aka SWIM JIG

joe klaus · Post by **joe klaus** » Tue May 24, 2005 2:25 pm

I have one but must confess that I didn't know it was Shakespeare. My initial thought was in agreement with Harvey. I'm 95% certain I didn't get this screw driver out of a Shakespeare box (but maybe I did?). The underside of the wooden knob is marked "Made in U.S.A". But that is only marking I find.

I assume that none of the screw drivers previously mentioned are actually marked "Shakespeare". Naturally, not saying they didn't come with the reel Jim mentions. Just not marked. Is that right?

Reelman · Post by **Reelman** » Tue May 24, 2005 2:48 pm

Mine is unmarked. It is one of the best screwdivers I found so far. I use it just about every day.

Merv

Jim Nedela · Post by **Jim Nedela** » Tue May 24, 2005 2:52 pm

Mine is also marked "Made In USA", but that's all, no other marks. The disk on the end seems to be hard rubber or plastic. It has a chip out of the edge, looks like hard rubber, Jim.

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