Shakespeare 1800 11 vs 1810 11 difference?

[jab862]

What is the difference between the Shakespeare underspin reels 1800 11 vs 1810 11? I am looking for the 1810 11 but I found an 1800 11 in nice shape but I can't find the difference, anyone know? thanks

[jimbofish]

The difference between the 'original' (not the II series) 1800 and 1810 was that the 1800 was green and made in the '50s. The 1810 was it's silver/black replacement in the '60s and '70s. It had a lever for the A/R instead of a button and there were internal changes to the pickup head mechanism. Both were LW.
There was a non-LW version of the 1810 which was maroon... the 1756. It had a shorter cone, less line capacity, and was a bit lighter.
I believe there was also a non-LW version of the 1800... the 1755, but I'm not positive on the model #.
The 1810/1756 models were in the 1980 Shakespeare catalog but not the 1981 catalog.

The 1810 II was the imported replacement for the 1810, advertised as 'a legend returns' in 1986. It was black, LW, had a graphite frame, rear micro-drag, right/left hand retrieve, stainless ball bearings, ceramic line guide, 4.8:1 gear ratio, and 200 yds. 8# mono.
I didn't pay much attention to Shakespeare's imported reels and never realized there was an 1800 II. Based on Shakespeare's previous models, I'd expect that the differences were in line capacity, gear ratio, bearing type, and possibly LW.

Doesn't answer your question, but at least now you know half of the differences.



UPDATE:

After some picture research on the web, it appears that the 1800 II has a 4.1:1 gear ratio, 140 yds. 8# mono capacity, and probably is non-LW. Comparing the pictures, the cone on the 1800 II is proportionately shorter than the 1810 II. LW needs the longer cone to allow for the pickup head travel. This is consistent with Shakespeare's earlier model differences.
IMHO the 1810 II is the full-featured version and the 1800 II is the basic version.

I recall examining the 1810 II when it first came out and was not impressed with it versus the original 1810, which I owned. Lots of plastic (graphite?) and the black generic import style that was popular in the '80s. I ended up buying two more lightly used originals, and have since acquired several of the earlier models: 1800, 1850, 1755, 1780, 1785. I actually use all of them regularly. Having never used the II series reels, I can't say that they worked better or worse than the older versions. They may be perfectly good. I just prefer the look and feel of the originals.

[jab862]

I did find out that the 1810 has a 4.4-1 ratio and the 1800 has a 4.1-1 ratio. Both are level wind. Not sure about other differences. Anyone else know more?

[wrong99]

Here's the original catalog listings for the earlier 1800 and 1810 models, if you're interested. The 1800 listing is from Shakespeare's 1956 catalog and the 1810 listing is from the 1963 edition.
Mark

[jab862]

I don't quite understand, the one I am looking at is black graphite with a knob at the back for the drag and was made in Japan. The one thing I didn't like about the 1800-1810 reels was if you had a line problem you had to unscrew the cone which meant you had to reset the drag because it was built into the cone. The graphite one has that separated rear drag. I am thinking the graphite ones are a newer model, just not sure of the quality.

[wrong99]

Yours is obviously a later 70's or 80's model. Certain models underwent design and materials changes almost yearly, some changes subtle and some changes drastic. The latest catalog listing I have for the 1810, from 1971, is shown below. You can see it changed to the black frame and anodized silver body. The 1800 II looks to be a completely different model (from examples I've seen on eBay).
Mark