ok, harvey...

Post by **john elder** » Wed May 25, 2005 3:38 pm

your new (sniff) screwdriver is in the mail.

SWIM JIG · Post by **SWIM JIG** » Wed May 25, 2005 9:12 pm

cool-thumb USA Harvy your blueprint copies are on the way, I looked on the map and its all downhill from OHIO to Florida , so they should slide easy! I know you dont like Pflugers however take a look at the woden handle on a (Pfluger captain) they are about the same. Now I must go back to playiny or reparing reels! They just dont seem to fix themselfs! Your Ohio Conection on Lake ERIE at 63 degrees, Col. M. Lorens aka SWIM JIG John did yoy take a pic of that tool before you sent it?

Reel Geezer · Post by **Reel Geezer** » Wed May 25, 2005 10:15 pm

Anyone have an 1896 Meisselbach catalog they'd like to give away? I'd even chip in on the postage.

Ron Mc · Post by **Ron Mc** » Thu May 26, 2005 7:00 am

speaking of Harvey, here's one for you:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 7159181052

Harvey · Post by **Harvey** » Thu May 26, 2005 8:29 pm

Thanks John and thanks Ron but I have that one
Here are three of them.

Harvey · Post by **Harvey** » Sun May 29, 2005 2:56 pm

John,
Got that screwdriver yesterday. I know I sound like a 'Doubting Thomas" but it is hard for me to believe that it was ment to be used on Reels.

The view is of the LARGEST blade. I will compare it to what Milt sends me,
"H"

Post by **john elder** » Sun May 29, 2005 10:23 pm

hey, more than happy to take returns, if you get convinced it's not shake! It's one of the best fitting driver's i've owned!

SWIM JIG · Post by **SWIM JIG** » Mon May 30, 2005 8:00 pm

cool-thumb USA John and Harvy, that is a nice jewlers screwdrive used on (pocket watches) that blade is very precise so as not to mar those delicate watch screws, there is no doubt that those blades will fit a reel screw slot however it most likly will botom out before the blade sides can fill the slot, too much taper! I must admit I use one to start very small screws on the earlier reels Note I said start, not tighten , and its my thoughts any of us that repair reels hone a blade to do a job with. I even have them with to spring holders eithe side of the blade, Those were used many years ago to put ignition points in auto distribitors, still use one on the boat. To recap : up to 1945 we needed a very accurate fiting set of screwdrivers, howeverafter 1945 the screws were made different and just about any screwdriver that fits the slot will work! Harvy thats a nice screwdriver and it will work on starting pawl hold down screws and Pfluger level wind housing screws and Harvy I know you do your own repair, hey guys the cats out of the bag! ha ha ! Harvy can do a reel as well as I can , he likes to play possiumn! Your Ohio Conection On Lake Erie Col. M. Lorens aka SWIM JIG

Harvey · Post by **Harvey** » Tue May 31, 2005 5:59 pm

John,
Your Screw Driver will be in the mail tomorrow. I left it out on the desk last night and a #1975 "Super" reel held it down while a #1909 'Black Knight" beat the crap out of it! They know when I bring something non-Shakespeare into the house. I went ahead and packed it up and put it in my truck cause I was afraid some of my Swimming Mice might chew the paint off the handle.

And Milt!
Thanks so much for those drawings. The one for the screw driver is the same as the two I circled in red in Jim Nedela's post about the "President". They were also used in the "Higher" end South Bend reels (If there is such a thing!) as per Jim Madden. The handles were a different color, (Shakespeare / Rose wood and South Bend / Blond) As far as I am concerned, that is what goes with that reel.
As for the other drawings, Those were great as they show the tools that were used by the factory rather then the bushing tools that the dealers could purchase. (I'v seen the dealers set) And don't be suprised if you get a call from me sometime around the last of July. I may be in Cincinnati about that time. Should I wear leg guards and a mask?
"H"

SWIM JIG · Post by **SWIM JIG** » Tue May 31, 2005 9:22 pm

yay-banana jester cool-thumb USA Harvy , the latch string is always out! as for those bushing tools well I all gots a factory one ha ha ho its a two pice one number on it is 1472, yup i was real close to that one too! The thing was in a repair center box and Numbered 3710! Now I offered you this deal before! You can use the copier, a desk , the volumns fAX MACHINE the tools, you must clean them! I am very fussy about my tools! I just got 3 more cases of paper fot the copier and printer. I dont cook, dont do dishes dont was clothes nor iron clothes, you need a room use the Bayliner, however pic up after your Chrismas Friends! ha ha you use it you clean it! you can use the e-150 van the beds are gone, Its full of tackle! Bring your camera, and while your here we will go vist Bill Peters ha ha remeber the 5 day casting contest at cabellas is in AUG we can run up there and watch Bill cast! We can find time to see a tackle store time warp! this store still has Zebco Zero Hr bombs in the boxes for sale! I just bought a Daiwa Syncromatic 125M in the box and all paperwork this date! Red started the store in 1946, and still has original items from that date! I will have one of my charter captains take us fishing for Walley and Silver Torpedos, Salmon to those that dont know! and No ALIGATORS to bother you, just beach angles 2 legged ha ha ho! This visit I am looking foward to! Your ohio Conection On lake ERIE Col. m. lorens aka SWIM JIG

Post by **john elder** » Tue May 31, 2005 9:25 pm

thanks, Harvey...I figured as much...sorry to contaminate the herd! but i imagine that about the time it makes the Coast, there will be three strong rebuttal arguments and I'll have it back in the mail to you! this might be one way to get the govt solvent

See..see! told ya! (see below...and harvey, Jim is right

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Jim Madden · Post by **Jim Madden** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 12:15 am

Harvey, don't send it back! The Black Knight cannibalized one of it's own! Check out page 14 of the 1949 Shakespeare catalog on your NFLCC CD. You'll find the screwdriver in question under SP stock number 3714 - right next to the wooden one. It must have been ordered as an accessory and just thrown in the reel box. You'll never pry it out of John's hands again!Jim

SWIM JIG · Post by **SWIM JIG** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 9:45 pm

cool-thumb yay-banana USA Jim , regardless what the book, cataloge or other advertisment says that two blade screw driver is a watch makers tool! When I get some time I will look into some watch makers tool catalog and make copies of the different drivers! Its very posible that those were lesss expnsive than the actual item Shakespere made! Harvy I donot know how to put pics on this site or any site! will you please do so with your Blue print Copy? might as well show the other copies along with it! Your Ohio conection on Lake ERIE Col. M. lorens aka SWIM JIG

joe klaus · Post by **joe klaus** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 1:02 am

I don't want to get into a brouhaha. But something don't add up. There's too much smoke here for there not to be some fire.

I have this screw driver. John has (had) one. Jim Nedela found a "NIB" Shakespeare President, and it had one of these identical screw drivers in the box. And Jim Madden finds one in a 1949 Shakespeare catalog.

Perhaps it IS a jeweler's screw driver, but there appears to be very strong evidence that Shakspeare included it with at least some of the reels it sold.

I took the screw driver in question out last night and couldn't find a reel in my collection that it appeared to be "intended" for----unless used as Milt suggested above. The blade is much too small. But at same time, I took out (from my collection) an absolute NIB President with its wooden screw driver, and the blade on that screw driver wouldn't fit a single screw on the entire friggin reel. Go figure. (admittedly, the blade would have been "OK" if I modified it a bit with a file)

I suppose my point woud be that---just because the blade on the screw driver doesn't match the screw heads---doesn't necessarily mean that Shakespeare didn't include that screw driver with one of its reels.

Harvey · Post by **Harvey** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 10:23 am

OK! I am convinced! I looked it up in the catalogue and DARN, there it was. I very seldon look at catalogues newer than 1940 so maybe I should expand my interests. And as for Joe not getting into these discussions, why do you think we pay you the big bucks? I did the same thing that Joe did. Checked to see what screws it fit. NODDA! Oh well, That screw driver should be in St Louis by now heading west.
And Milt, I will post a picture of the drawing later on today. I am setting in a Starbucks right now on my laptop and rubbing elboes with the rich and famous. ( I really brought it with me to show the manager what ORCA and reel collecting is all about. We may have a NEW member down the road)
"H"

Post by **john elder** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 10:37 am

hey, Harv...go across the street and see if the manager of that Starbucks is also interested

I see I was too late or you were too efficient with the mailing of the screwdriver. If you want it back, yet again, I don't mind another round of postage.

Geeez, we're such a fascinating bunch, eh? Have managed to get a page of posts over one little freaking screwdriver! Imagine what we could do with a good crescent wrench

joe klaus · Post by **joe klaus** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 11:55 am

After I posted last night, it occurred to me that I had a few "original" Shakespeare catalogs dating between 1936 and 1953. But I'm the same as Harvery in that I haven't looked at one of those in a very long time.

I spent at least an hour searching every page of everyone of those things and never found mention of the "unknown" screwdriver. In the 1953 catalog, I did see an illustration of a guy working on a reel, and he was using the wooden handle screwdriver.

I found it slightly interesting (but not surprising) that the 1936 (?) Shakespeare catalog included and offered various and miscellaneous "non-shakespeare" items, including Hodgman Waders and the Johnson Sprite Spoon.

Therefore, Shakespeare obviously included many "non-shakespeare" items in its catalogs.

Harvey · Post by **Harvey** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 2:12 pm

Here is the drawing of the screwdriver that Milt sent me. It is the standard #3711 driver that is the most common.

ok, harvey...

ok, harvey...

on the way to!!

nice jewlers multi blade screwdriver

you call we will get together!

cannibalism!

ok so it was a added item its still a !!!!