05 Shimano Biomaster 8000 PG 01914

[Niro]

Hey guys,
I hate to admit but my unforgivable over self confidence has cost me my beloved high sentimental valued Biomaster reel. Haven't secured my rod on my kayak and she felt out in the sea. I had to literally fish it out from the water and now its all stuck and rust/broken inside. The guy at the fixing store told me i need several parts that need to be exchanged just to see if its fits for another load of parts to be replaced... long story short, he advised to try get an broken/used one to use for parts.
Can anyone assist me how to get one? Perhaps even from Japan, the reel was made in japan.

much thanks,

Niro

[Niro]

Here it is

[Smead]

Keep an eye out on Ebay...several listed now, but no 8000 size.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R4 ... sacat=1492

Look at schematics...many reel lines share misc common parts within them and even with other reel lines. Shimano part hunts are fairly easy if you can find the part numbers; however, the most extensive site for JDM listings that I know of has the part numbers in Japanese on the schematics. For what it's worth.

http://www.spin-review.ru/reels/shimano ... 8000pg.pdf

http://www.spin-review.ru/eng/shimano/biomaster.htm

[Midway Tommy D]

Parts for Shimano reels can be a difficult find, especially for some of the relatively recent discontinued models. It seem Shimano likes to discontinue reel parts, too, after a few years and has a bad reputation of doing that.

If you feel confident enough to disassemble the reel yourself nearly all of the corroded parts can more than likely be salvaged by cleaning and buffing. Just make sure you take lots of photos during disassembly. Between photos and the schematic reassembly should be fairly straight forward. The parts that generally would be most effected by the salt corrosion are the bearings. It appears from the schematic Smead posted that there are 6 bearings. Their number ovals are highlighted in black on the schematic. Those can still be purchased from companies like BOCA, etc. If it were my reel, especially with the difficulty in finding replacement parts, I would clean it myself and replace all the bearing before sending it out for a service. You might be surprised at the results.

[Smead]

The Japanese schematics do have the nice feature of having the bearing sizes listed too.

[Niro]

Much thanks guys for all help and care!
As of right now i found few of the parts needed from PLAT website in Japan. My problem now stands with the discontinued parts that I cant find no where like mentioned.
My next idea and question to all who knows is rather to purchase from PLAT website the parts of the same Shimano Biomaster 8000 PG but from year 08 and model number 02276 where mine is year 05 and model 01914?
The parts i need are: Pinion gear part number 37 and part number 76

Much thanks

[Midway Tommy D]

Sorry, Niro, I don't have any more suggestions for your dilemma, but my curiosity is killing me. What has happened to the pinion gear that it requires replacement? I have seldom see a pinion gear that needed replacement unless it was bent or had a chipped gear. Also, what's wrong with the original waterproof cap (76)?

[Niro]

Your curiosity is right on spot Tommy D : )
That pinion gear got a little bearing at the bottom that got almost fused to the body of the pinion gear from corrosion and in attempt to release it for cleaning I unprofessionally used a pliers that broke the bearing and dented the place where it seats, now main shaft wont go all the way
But hey, I learned another lesson in reel life
Mistakenly wrote 76, cap is all good, i meant part number 38.

[Midway Tommy D]

Now that sucks! A vinegar soak would have helped release the fusion. The bearing should be doable. Good luck with the pinion.

[Niro]

Bearing seems to be available since i have size and all...the pinion though, think I might order one of the next release year (08) of the same model. Checked on the 08 schematics and my broken bearing(05) is same size like 08 model, that means its the same pinion gear size as well ?

[Niro]

Do you think I should get the missing discontinued parts from the next release year of the same model?
They have my missing parts in the 08 version of my model only that mine is 05...They both got the same bearing sizes,question is if the pinion gear is also same size>>>

[Niro]

Smead,
Do you think I should get the missing discontinued parts from the next release year of the same model?
They have my missing parts in the 08 version of my model only that mine is 05...They both got the same bearing sizes,question is if the pinion gear is also same size>>>

[Midway Tommy D]

I'm not familiar enough with Shimano or any of the newer Japanese or Chinese made reels to give you any sound advice. I'm not an Asian made reel guy. Sorry.

[Dick Janak]

Does anyone know where or how to convert the Japanese part numbers into the Shimano part #s ? If you can then maybe we can find the parts you are looking for....Dick

[Smead]

The best way to determine compatibility is by getting the actual P/N translated from Japanese.

However, translating the Japanese characters for P/N 37 yields, 'Pinion Gear". I assume to get the proper part you would tell Shimano the reel model and give the number 37 and they would sell you the right part. I have no idea why they do this with their JDM products, since other schematics provided worldwide have the actual part numbers.

Such schematics may not exist for gear that is exclusively JDM; the schematics I found were on a Russian site...haven't found anything else.

Maybe someone running a tackle shop doing reel repairs might have a source. However, they most likely deal with Shimano USA and from what the Shimano USA rep on the Tackle Tour website has alluded to, they nearly appear to be separate companies as far as communication goes. JDM stuff is meant to be sold in Japan, that's why you don't get a warranty.

A Japanese tackle shop known as Plat sells a lot of stuff to the USA directly. They may be able to help, if the part is still available.

http://www.plat.co.jp/shop/catalog/default.php

Another method is finding a similar Shimano pinion with the same dimensions...this is an unsure method and a bit tedious to do...caliper, micrometer and gear pitch tedious.

Or find some 8000 size reels with the same gear ratio from the same era and see if they will work. Maybe an 08 reel would be a good place to start first.

One rule of thumb is that pinions and main gears should be changed out together...harder still and more expensive.

Could you post a picture of the damage to the pinion...maybe that pinion can be cleaned up and salvaged and then you just need a new bearing.

Hope that this helps.

[Niro]

I took the dented pinion to a pro (my father ) and he had imaginative way to fix it somehow. Since I slightly dented in a way that its not visible.He noticed that there is kind of a stopper or a ringed rounded threshold inside the pinion about two mm twords the exist and to the bearing place. My father took a round knife polisher that i had and polished the inside of the pinion and it worked, the shaft goes all the way now
even though its not factory tight ill give it a try with a skinny layer of grease on the shaft when the rest of the parts ordered will arrive, hopefully it'll work, if not, ill try to gamble on the pinion from 08 release year of my (05) model etc.

[Niro]

Hey guys,
Parts arrived and my reel now perform minus one little annoying thing I want to share with you all hoping to solve it down.
Basically the reel spin all up and down but when the spool arriving bottom towards the lowest point I can hear and feel a quick creak, it appears only when the spool gets all the way down.
Anyone have an idea which part should I check to maybe solve this problem?