ABU 2600 question

clinton_beeler · Post by **clinton_beeler** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:54 pm

OK, I've got two red ones. I saw another on an "auction site" last week and it had the name "big A" style at the bottom of the face plate level with the foot. The ones I have show the name in script running uphill. There is no number on the foot, just the words "made in Sweden". When were the ones I have made?

Regards,
Clinton

P.S. Don't tell Bo that I'm going to send him one as soon as he sends me his mailing address.

FSREPAIR · Post by **FSREPAIR** » Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:53 pm

Clinton,

Was the one you saw on the auction site a 2600 or 2650? If the reel was a 2600, there may be a couple of explanations; one being an American version and the other (the one in script) the European version; or Abu changed the logo after the 2650 came out in 1964. I am not sure if either of those theories is correct as I did not see it printed in the books I have. The 2600 was available for sale in 1962 and the 2650 in 1964. The 2650 is the narrow spool version of the 2600. Both are free spool models and neither had any serial numbers on the reel foot. The 1750 & 1750A were the only two models which had a serial number on the reel foot. The 2600 and 2650 were available up to 1970. Info from Simon Shimomura's and Dan Skupien's books. Randy

SWIM JIG · Post by **SWIM JIG** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 9:39 am

cool-thumb USA Clinton, As soon as I get back next week, I am going to send you copies of both reels from the factory repair manuals! will also inclose the 2000&1750 modles, the 1750A and the 2500C then you will have a general idea of some rather complicated free spool and drag assemblys as well as the use of a unusual nylon- plastic composit materaial for parts. Will get these off by 7July 2005! your Ohio conection on Lake ERIE Col. M. lorens aka SWIM JIG (any more word on FIN NOR? keepp us informed!

clinton_beeler · Post by **clinton_beeler** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:00 pm

Thanks Milt and Randy!

The ones I've seen are 2600s with a sticker on the faceplate with the Garcia logo. Mine have ABU stamped into them and no sticker which make me think they might be a year or two older. When did Garcia become ABUs distributor? Maybe it is a Euro version.

I really should clean and lube the one I'm sending to Bo. What do you guys think? Should I re-assemble it?

Regards,
Clinton

FSREPAIR · Post by **FSREPAIR** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 10:13 pm

Clinton,

The only reference I can find in Simon's book about when Garcia and Abu began working together is 1957, the first year the Ambassadeur's were listed in Garcia catalogs. It is quite difficult to say what the exact year your 2600 was made. Abu acquired Garcia in 1979 and Garcia became the sole distributor for Abu in the US after that. Randy

FSREPAIR · Post by **FSREPAIR** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 10:20 pm

Clinton,

I did some further checking in Ben's book which states that Garcia acquired distribution rights for Abu Ambassadeur reels in 1954. Randy

ABUBO · Post by **ABUBO** » Fri Jun 24, 2005 10:25 am

Hi all,
To my knowledge they made no 2600's/2650's for Europe. They were made solely for export. I base that on the fact that they were never mentioned in neither the Danish nor the Swedish versions of ABU's Tight Lines catalogues.
As for the Garcia - ABU connection: There is an old poster at the ABU Museum advertizing for the Record Ambassadeur 5000, so the year of 1954 that FSREPAIR mentions seems to be right.

Best regards,
Bo

PS: Clinton - I'll send you my address as soon as I get home from work!

... and I don't mind if it's recently lubed or not

clinton_beeler · Post by **clinton_beeler** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:13 am

OK! I finally got my digital camera talk to my computer (it didn't like my printer). Here's the reel I've got. I wish you could read the sideplate better. I noticed that it has four screws. Is this a good thing?

Regards,
Clinton

SWIM JIG · Post by **SWIM JIG** » Mon Jun 27, 2005 12:18 pm

cool-thumb USA Clinton, this reel was made in the 4 screw version only and made starting 1961, as for the free spool of this , its located in the handle assembly and has a very unique metal bar that conects the engagement, its not plated or of a non-ferious metal so if it gets wet or salt water on it, then itdoes not work properly and is very hard to work on ( for me anyway)All of the 2600s as I know them are 4 screw versions, and a excelent usable reel as long as you keep them oiles and water out of the free spool parts. In the condition your reel is in , it will be worth a bit more than a hard used reel, Acording to Lawsons 3rd edition in 9/9 condition its $120.00 thats on page 21 of Lawsons 3rd. Again when I get back I will make you copies of the factory manual of this reel Also thats nice display you have , anywhere you keep your reels so you can enjoy them is PROPER! Your Ohio Conection on Lake ERIE Col. M. lorens aka SWIM JIG

ABUBO · Post by **ABUBO** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 5:27 pm

Hi Clinton,
I just sent you my shipping address. Afterwards I did a bit'o thinking, cause I was 99% sure that I already have the reel, so - I checked out my reel pic's and ... yes! I found a pic of my 2600. It's in a very good condition. Better than yours, Clinton as far as I can see, and with the Garcia sticker on it, so you reely shouldn't send it to me. Your chosing of course .. any free red Ambassadeur to my humble red AMB-collection is always welcome

Unfortunately, on the pic of my reel, you can't see if the model no '2600' is carved into the sideplate or not b/c that area of the reel is hidden behind another reel. See pic (hope it works!). When I get it back home again from my parents place I'll tell you. But of course, if any of you ORCA's know whether there are more than one version of the 2600 I'd love to hear about it (cause then maybe Clinton should send it anyway without listening to me

)

Your Denmark connection
Bo

PS: Is it possible to see an uploaded pic in the post preview, cause it don't show ... ?

Sorry - edited the pic's name to no spaces - did it help?[/img]http://orcaonline.org/images/pixel.gif? ... B-2600.jpg ... naaaa, it still don't show

any ideas why it don't will be helpful. Thanks, Bo

ABUBO · Post by **ABUBO** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 7:04 pm

Hi,
I can see my picture that didn't show in the Picture Repository section by clicking the link for it at this page's top first line - it's #2 from the right ... and so can you I suppose?

Regards, Bo

clinton_beeler · Post by **clinton_beeler** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:08 am

Hi Bo,
Your reel is nicer than either of mine, but the face plate is definitely different. First, niether of mine appear to have ever had a sticker. Second, I don't see the ABU logo directly under the sticker on yours. Third, the word "Ambassadeur" is written in a completely different type font.

The ABU logo is different from what I'm used to. It looks 50's. (maybe early '60's) Anyway you'll see it when it gets there. (I'll bet you forgot about that ABU 505 booklet that I said I'd send several months ago too.)

Regards,
Clinton

ABUBO · Post by **ABUBO** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:41 pm

Hi Clinton,
Well, in that case I sure look forward to recieving it ... and the 505 booklet too yes, which I - as you so correctly anticipate - have forgotten all about.

If you come by a AMB 2050 in almost any condition I'd be thrilled to hear from you (or any other for that matter), cause that's the last Ambassadeur in the 2000 serie that I don't have yet (not counting - as it seems - any possible model variations).

Best regards,
Bo

clinton_beeler · Post by **clinton_beeler** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 8:03 pm

Hi Bo,

(imagine sounds of hysterical laughter!)

How many face plates did the 2600 have? The pic above isn't a very good one, but if you squint real hard you can just see what I'm talking about.

I talked to father today and he said I should send you whatever I think is best.

I'm not making this up but (LOL) I wanted to really highlight the difference in the two types of faceplate so I took another pic which I'll post when I get home from work. It has two reels in it. The 2600 and the closest thing I have to it... a 2050 (I'll look, but I recall it being in EX+ condition). I took the picture yesterday. HONEST!

Regards,
Clinton

FSREPAIR · Post by **FSREPAIR** » Wed Jul 06, 2005 9:35 pm

Clinton,

I did some more checking in Simon's and Dan's books. I ran across a caption below a picture of two Ambassadeur 2000s in Dan's book on page 75 with pictures at the bottom of page 74 and top of page 75. It reads and I quote" Two variations of theAmbassadeur 2000, based on earlier Record designs. The reel on the left is earlier, having a script logo and a small handle nut. The sample on the right has the Ambassadeur "big A" logo and a large oil nut". The picture of the Ambassadeur "big A" 2000 reel has a sticker with ABU 2000 on it. Randy

clinton_beeler · Post by **clinton_beeler** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 12:22 am

Thank you Randy and Bo! This has been fun.

Well, here they are. I'm going to try to pack and send the box either today or tommorrow. When I do I'll e-mail you the tracking number.

Regards,
Clinton

clinton_beeler · Post by **clinton_beeler** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:17 am

By the way,

In 1954 Ralph met Gote and Lenny at a trade show in Chicago. The Borgstroms had their "world beater" (the 5000) and Ralph had his (the Zebco 33). Gote asked Ralph if he would be the U.S. distributor for ABU, but Ralph resources were streched too thin to accept.

That's why the reel on the right has a 'G' on it.

Regards,
Clinton

ABUBO · Post by **ABUBO** » Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:31 pm

Hey Randy and Clinton,

Ha-haaa... I can almost hear that laughter of yours!

- quite a coincidence huh!

Sounds familiar to me, Randy ... (as another coincidence I'm about to read Skupien's book again - but more thoroughly this time), and you know what ... I just reached page 77 so that's why this statement of yours rang a bell. Not to mention that I'ave known for some time that the 2000 had at least two model variations i.e. an early and a later just as described. What I don't know, is why I didn't think of this before, cause it would seem quite logical, if the 2600 and perhaps even the 2050 and the 2650 also, each had an early script logo model and a later "Big A" model as well ... I must be getting old!

Clinton ... if you posted a picture from the handle side of those two reels, this might prove something more or less expected (thanks).

Yeah - the 'G' stands for Garcia. Hummm... given the fact that Ralph said no more than 50 years ago, I think - over the years that he - more than once - would have liked to turn back time if he could... just to say yes to Gote!
Thanks for sharing.

Regards,
Bo

clinton_beeler · Post by **clinton_beeler** » Sat Jul 09, 2005 11:46 am

Well, here's the flip side!

Regards,
Clinton

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:38 pm

Thanks, Clinton.
FYI: Due to suddently emerged probs at home I probably won't be here that often for the next few weeks...
Regards,
Bo

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 12:35 am

FSREPAIR wrote:Clinton,

I did some more checking in Simon's and Dan's books. I ran across a caption below a picture of two Ambassadeur 2000s in Dan's book on page 75 with pictures at the bottom of page 74 and top of page 75. It reads and I quote" Two variations of theAmbassadeur 2000, based on earlier Record designs. The reel on the left is earlier, having a script logo and a small handle nut. The sample on the right has the Ambassadeur "big A" logo and a large oil nut". The picture of the Ambassadeur "big A" 2000 reel has a sticker with ABU 2000 on it. Randy

mcmatts · Post by **mcmatts** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 12:37 am

i saw 2650 on ebay today with tag g2650 .

Lonnie Mills · Post by **Lonnie Mills** » Thu Nov 03, 2005 9:47 pm

Email if in need of parts for these reels.

www.reeltyme.net

ABUBO · Post by **ABUBO** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 10:26 am

Hi Lonnie,
I might need some parts once I've got my collection lined up again in my fishing room. I do know a Danish guy that has almost anything, but he's usualy on the costly side when it comes to prices

... some of the end caps and ditto nuts sure could be in need of a replacement part.

Do you have end caps (nuts) for the ABU 3000 and/or for the similar Amb. 4000 (the red 'plastic' export model of the 3000)? Part # is 2227 - it's the nut used for adjusting the spool brake tension.
I'll get back to you later.

Bo

PS: Clinton ... how's it going with the progress on your huge Zebco book(s)?

ABUBO · Post by **ABUBO** » Sun Nov 06, 2005 10:27 am

Hi Lonnie,
I might need some parts once I've got my collection lined up again in my fishing room. I do know a Danish guy that has almost anything, but he's usualy on the costly side when it comes to prices

... some of the end caps and ditto nuts sure could be in need of a replacement part.

Do you have end caps (nuts) for the ABU 3000 and/or for the similar Amb. 4000 (the red 'plastic' export model of the 3000)? Part # is 2227 - it's the nut used for adjusting the spool brake tension.
I'll get back to you later.

Bo

PS: Clinton ... how's it going with the progress on your huge Zebco book(s)?

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