More Stupid Questions about Shakespeare Tournament Reels

[Terry Battisti]

Hi All,

Okay, in my quest to learn more about tournament reels from Shakespeare, I have run across some more questions. This is regarding the 23043 - and maybe the 22143. I see a lot of reels on eBay that are marked "Tournament" but do not have the marking 23043 on them. On all these reels they have a model number stamped on the reel foot such as Model 1922, 1924, 1918, etc. Are all these reels 23043 Tournament reels and the Model Number reflects the year of manufacture? Here are some images of what I am talking about.

This first image has Model 1922 on the foot. Again, the head plate and tail plate have nothing that says 23043.



This second image has Model 1924 on the foot, which is tough to see.



Thank you for putting up with my questions!!!

[colby sorrells]

You might consider getting Matt's excellent book on tournament tackle. Many answers there. Also check past issues of ORCA Reels News. Very easy to search and free to all members! There is information in them. Also past discussions on this board discuss these reels.

Keepin' It Fun!

CS

[Terry Battisti]

Hey Colby, I have matt's book and unfortunately he doesn't go into this. He mentions both the 23043 and the 22143 but not the question I have. Unless I have missed it. LOL. I'll search the Reel News archives and posts.

Thanks!

[kyreels]

Model 1922, 1924, 1918, etc. Are all these reels 23043 Tournament reels and the Model Number reflects the year of manufacture?

The book does answer the important questions regarding the 23043 intro date, but does not list every model. The first model was introduced in 1912. The next model was 1914. Subsequent models were 1918, 1924, 1928 and probably others. During this period, Shakespeare stamped the model year on the foot as you have observed. I personally have not seen a 23043 without the stamping. Your photos do not show the head plate. Please post the example without the model.

The 22143 was the narrow spool model of the Tournament reel introduced in 1927. Many models of the 22143 did not have the model stamped on the reel. Perhaps that is what you were referring to.

[Terry Battisti]

Hi Matt, Thanks for the reply. As soon as I posted those images I knew I should have included the head plate images. So, here they are. The first two images are in order of the reels I posted above.


1922 Model above


1924 Model above

These next images are more reels from eBay. First is another "Tournament" with no apparent 23043 model stamped anywhere. All it has is the Model 1922 stamped on the foot. The next image is for a 23043 1918 Model stamped on the foot.


Second 1922 Model


23043 1918 Model

I realize there is a lot of real estate on the head plates that are covered by the handle so maybe it's there and we can't see the 23043. Thoughts?

Thanks!

[Terry Battisti]

Also, on another front, there is a 1744M 1926 Model on eBay. I looked for this reel in the catalogs located in the library and couldn't find anything about it. I also did a search for posts and found some posts mentioning a 1744 Model 26 and Model 31, but nothing about an M? Here is the link to the eBay auction

https://www.ebay.com/itm/305564650124?_ ... R7766ISQZQ

[colby sorrells]

Terry,
No where does that reel actually show a "M" that I can see. Not sure why the person listed it as a Model "M" but I don't see anything that shows that letter.

Keepin' It Fun!

CS

[Terry Battisti]

Hey Colby, I saw the threads you posted abot ten years ago on the subject of the 1744. I read through every line. Okay, I have looked through all the catalogs on here and have not found a reference to an M model. What was different about that model from the standard 1744?

I also downloaded the ver. 1 and 2 of the Shakespeare Reel list. I might take a stab at cleaning that list up. Is there anything that anyone has wished the list to have?

Terry

[kyreels]

Terry,

The 1744 is in the 1930 Shakespeare catalog in our library. I cite that as the first year for the 1744 in Tournament Casting Tackle, largely based on that catalog. It is also in subsequent catalogs also.



I suspect they just stopped stamping the model number on the frontplate of the tournament reels at some point, and then changed the models and design a bit with the later model 1744, 1741, 1743.

[Terry Battisti]

Terry,

The 1744 is in the 1930 Shakespeare catalog in our library. I cite that as the first year for the 1744 in Tournament Casting Tackle, largely based on that catalog. It is also in subsequent catalogs also.



I suspect they just stopped stamping the model number on the frontplate of the tournament reels at some point, and then changed the models and design a bit with the later model 1744, 1741, 1743.

Hi Matt,

I saw the 1744 in the catalogs but I'm not sure what the "M" version was. I can't find that in any of the catalogs.

As for the other "Tournament" reels without the 23043 stamp, thank you for that info. That's what I figured but I just wanted to make sure.

Thanks!

[kyreels]

I also don't know of any such "M" derivative. I don't believe Shakespeare used such notation. Maybe the poster meant "N" as in Narrow Spool. But Shakespeare did not use the N in any official model either.

[Terry Battisti]

I also don't know of any such "M" derivative. I don't believe Shakespeare used such notation. Maybe the poster meant "N" as in Narrow Spool. But Shakespeare did not use the N in any official model either.

Okay. Thank you Matt. I've downloaded the two lists of Shakespeare models and didn't see anything remotely similar to a 1744M. But since those lists are complete, I thought I should ask.

Thank you again for your help.