BRC 130 French Made Game Reel

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BRC 130 French Made Game Reel

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Hi
I was lucky enough to recently acquire this French Made Game Reel down here in Australia.
A great deal of searching on the web has led to virtually no information being available on this reel.It is by far the heaviest
130 Game Reel that I have and appears to be very well manufactured.
The brochure included in the very large leather case shows that it was manufactured by a company L.Berenger R. Rouard & C in France.
I have attached some pics of the reel etc and hope that some of you very well informed members will be able to throw some light on this reel.
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Cool reel !! I have never seen that one before, John Taylor
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Wow!!
No, that is a new one for my eyes. Spectacular find; congratulations.
Very interesting, with that non-centric drag lever and other levers & buttons.
Looks to be very well made; very nice details. Someone made sure to do it right.
I wonder what the story is. We will have to do some digging!

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This might provide a start for research.

The company SOCIETE NOUVELLE BERENGER ROUARD was created on October 30, 1987 , 37 years ago . Its legal form is Limited liability company (without further indication) . Its field of activity is: general mechanics . It did not have any employees.

Its head office is located at 25 B RUE TROUILLET - DEREL 92600 ASNIERES-SUR-SEINE . It has 1 establishment .

More info: https://annuaire-entreprises.data.gouv. ... -343957197
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Yes, that is what I found too. So far, anyway. And that they seem to have shut down in 2003.

In one of the pics you can see the marking, Modele Depose, which usually suggests a patent or registered design of some kind.
I haven't found anything at Espacenet or G. Patents yet, for either of the two gentlemen Berenger or Rouard.

Their registration number was FR56343957197.

It seems like we should be able to dig deeper into this. Maybe someone local can take a closer look.

Clacker39, do you have anything else, any more clues? You found it in Australia... any back story there?

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Hi Dr Rob and others
Thank you for your informed comments.
I acquired the reel along with 2 Fin Nor Game reels from an elderly Frenchman living in Cairns with the assistance of Barry Cross,a friend and fellow collector.
Apparently the elderly gentleman purchased it brand new from the manufacturer in France,unfortunately he has dementia and cannot provide a lot of details.
The lever drag can be locked into place via the smaller push lever behind it and the triangular shaped knob adjacent is lifted and turned to activate the clicker mechanism.
It is extremely heavy and appears to be very well thought out and constructed.
There may have only been a few made as I cannot find any details at all on the web.
Any help in providing further information would be greatly appreciated.
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Hmm… A Frenchman in Cairns, you say.
My old friend and reel aficionado extraordinaire Jack Erskine lived and worked in Cairns for many years. That guy was involved with reel companies and projects from A thru Z over the years. I would not be a bit surprised if he was in on this or had seen your reel somehow.

Jack left us many years ago, but I think maybe his son still runs the business. Stop by and ask him, whydoncha. Alternatively, I’m not sure if Jack was in the habit of marking reels he had worked on, but some reel folks put a sticker or their initials on the inside of the reel. Have a look? Long shot I know, but sometimes long shots hit the mark.

What about the brochure you have, that came with the reel? You said it mentioned something about the manufacturer. What are the details on that?

Is there a schematic? I’m very curious!

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Hi Dr Rob
Thank you again for your comment.
My collector friend Bary Cross who assisted me in acquiring this reel worked for Jack Erskine for over 10 years and he has no knowledge of the involvement of Jack or his business in the acquisition of this reel for the French owner.
I have attached pic's of all of the material that came in the leather case with the rod brace and tools.
There is no schematic,however the large,very expensive looking brochure details operational parts and instructions on use etc.
I hope that you can make something out of this.
I really appreciate your help in sourcing further information on this reel.
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I was hoping there would be a clue to be found in the name of the company director, but it looks like the signature says, Amnmnmnm. Or maybe Amwmwtmwn; hard to say for sure.
I have a friend who is a handwriting analyst at a crime lab. I can ask her, but she will probably agree.

Reel company start-ups have come and gone over the years. This is a very serious attempt, as noted by the very nice reel, and the advanced brochure with perfect English translation. Someone must know more.

There has to be a story here.

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So, they trademarked the name BRC 130. (interestingly, i guess they never intended to make other sizes??) This was done in mid 1984, so they were working on this for at least a few years.

Still trying to get a line on these guys, Berenger and Rouard. At least their first names, so we have some kind of a lead to chase down. They must be listed somewhere; at a national bureau of commerce or something.

Just looking at the reel, there are some design influences. Those three rings on the spool are very Everol, and the lopsided harness lugs are very Daiwa Ventura / Heddon Dominator.
I don’t see those clues leading anywhere, however.
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Hi Dr Rob
It is proving very difficult to get a solid lead that provides a clue on this reel.
I can add that the reel's owner was an ambassador or consul representing the French Government over a term of about 20 years here in Australia.
As stated prior, he ordered and purchased the reel direct from the manufacturer,apparently on a visit back to France, to engage in Marlin fishing off Cairns.
It is difficult to comprehend that a company would go to all the trouble to print expensive brochures,make lovely leather cases,tools etc without registering a patent or hold some interlectural property over this reel.
Are there any members that reside in France?
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BRC French made Game Reel mystery R.I.P
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Soooo…. I haven’t really been able to put this aside just yet.

I found myself sort of musing about what else was going on at the time… the usual… Fin-Nor and Penn were doing their thing in the USA, Shimano in Japan was just beginning to think about going offshore… It is also the time that the Mitchell Presidents suddenly reappeared. You know, the Gladiator, JC Rosetti, and now Mitchell President all of a sudden.

So I started reading up that, and stumbled onto a website I hadn’t seen before. It belongs to a guy named Livinus I think, in Belgium. He really digs French reels; mostly those earlier Mitchell big game reels, the 1060, 1090 and so on. Has a nice write-up about them and nice pictures too. They were apparently made by an outside company, a machine shop in another town.

Www.De-complete-visser.be

He also mentions the founding of the Big Game Fishing Club of France. Hmm. Well darn, I didn’t know they had one. Founded by a guy named Pierre Clostermann.

Wonder who that is… give it a google, and holy smokes! That is one incredibly accomplished guy! Wow. Seriously, check his Wikipedia page.

By the way, I met my friend the handwriting analyst this past weekend. She just laughed at that autograph from the brochure. But did mention that it sort of almost looks like it says C something. Ch maybe, or Cl.

Hold on… Cl, as in Clostermann ?!?
A guy that famous must have an autograph somewhere online, right?
And, he does.
And no, it isn’t even close. Damn.
Oh well. But, a guy like him would absolutely be the kind of guy who has the money to invest in a project like this, would absolutely have friends in consulates and embassies, and would absolutely be able to take a trip to the Great Barrier Reef.

I wonder who worked at the French embassy in Australia back in the day. Maybe there is a list online.
There is.
Maybe there are dots to be connected there somehow.

You know, the world of big game reel manufacturers wasn’t very big in the 1980s. So, I asked a friend at another European reel manufacturing company if he remembers these reels.
Yup, he does. They were only in production for a short time, he says.

While this was going on, I found a guy on Linkedin who used to work at BRC. This was for only a short time, much later than the reels, but it seems he would likely know more about the company. I will send you a PM with his name. Seems like it was a hi-techy machine shop. Doesn’t look like it on Google Street View though. Maybe the reels were just a manufacture job. Or maybe it was just a business idea that didn’t pan out; no mystery at all.

So, dear Clacker, it seems unlikely that you will find a complete answer all in one place. You’ll have to do some digging, poking and prodding and put a puzzle together over time.
I would recommend contacting that guy in Belgium, then the French Big Game Club to see if there are any old-timers around who might remember something, or know someone who does. Or, make a post on their Facebook page. And then contact the guy on Linkedin to get a few facts about the company. If you get names, run them through Google, Facebook, Linkedin and geneology / family search engines.

So, there you go. A shovel, some dirt, a little intrigue, and a mystery. Good luck.

Lastly, I would humbly ask the Admins of this site if it might be a good idea to move this topic to the General board. This Show & Tell board is great, but there is much more traffic on the General board. More people, more eyes, maybe more info..?



PS:
There is a big book of French reels. Maybe one of our members has a copy or know someone who does.
Pierre Closterman also wrote a book about big game fishing.
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Hi Dr Rob
I cannot adequately express my appreciation for the time and effort that you have obviously put into trying to discover the
origin and other details of this reel.
I will certainly endeavour to contact the gent in Belgium and the French Game Fishing Club to hopefully gain information on
the reel and its maker.
I will certainly keep you informed of any progress that I make in my endeavours.
Again my sincere thanks.
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Interesting fishing equipment blog noted above https://www.de-complete-visser.be titled "The Complete Fisherman". It is written by a gentleman known as Livien Jorissen of Belgium. I think I found a linked In profile for him, and sent him a message to see if he was interested in joining the conversation.

His blog is available in English if you know how to click the translation icon in the address bar. At least on my Safari browser. If you view "All Messages" (really all posts), it shows a list of all the topics from 2016 to the latest. A lot of interesting historical stuff including Pezon and Michel, an interest of mine.

While I don't know that it will make a big difference, I will move this to the General Forum at the suggestion of Dr Rob. I think many members just use the Quick Links for unread posts and ignore the forum designation. If you don't do that, you will miss a lot of great posts.
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Good news: They had a Design Patent

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I was able to contact Livien Jorissen through LinkedIn. I have invited his comments on this post.
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Great news,thanks to both of you for keeping on the job.
I have heard nothing back ,as yet,from my emails
I will report back as soon as I receive any information.
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Okay, so I found a helpful collector, Dave R, who had the book mentioned above. Big thanks to him and the authors. It contains…. Drumroll….

A few tidbits of info, but alas, not the names of the guys, which I feel is the intriguing part of the story. Here is a cool reel; okay. But who made it, and how and why?

I also spent some time poking around, looking for mentions online, obituaries, etc using various combinations of names and places, but didn’t really find anything useful.

I gotta go




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Hi Dr. Rob and other members
I again thank you all for providing great assistance in trying to piece together some information on this reel.
I have emailed and messaged those persons mentioned and have finally received a reply from the President of the Big Game Club of France.
One of the club members who owned a fishing tackle store recalled the reel and commented on its quality and robustness.
He further advised that there are a couple of older members of the club that he will contact,that should have further information on the reel.
I will keep you informed.
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Hi Clacker and other members.
My name is Livinus, and I live in Belgium and France.
The BRC reel is a true enigma. I have heard about it but have never seen one. I will search for more information.
The French have always been keen big game fishermen. They traditionally used mainly American reels because those were readily available on the French market. Penn Senators were imported in large numbers, and it is easy to find a 16/0 at a decent price. Early French models were made by Perrot (the "Espadon") and Lagrange. These were large diameter single action reels quite similar to the Hardy Fortuna. These were never sold in great numbers and are rather rare. Later came the Mitchell Big Game, Penn International, Mitchell President, the Italian Everol and Gladiator, and even some Fin Nors. These can be found rather easily on the second hand market but prices are about the same as on Ebay USA.
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Hi Livinus
Thank you for your comments.
We are awaiting information from a few sources that have been contacted that may be able to shed some light on this reel.
I will post any detail that is received.
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Livinus, thank you for coming!
I thoroughly enjoyed browsing your website, and reading your thoughts and reflections. Thank you for your thoughts and comments on the BRC reel as well.

In the meantime since this thread was last updated, I have been digging, hacking, comparing, clicking away like a madman through any number of french websites, archives and registries.

And, have made significant progress. As Clacker said, we are awaiting replies to queries to some strategically important people, then we will see where that leads. I hope it proves fruitful.
And even if not, there is always the thrill of the chase to enjoy!

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The state of things:

Right, so where we are at, is that after doing some seriously intense online digging around BRC and any combinations of names and places, is that there is very little to find. The thinking is, that there has to be a business here. BRC was a machine shop of some kind; we have already ascertained that. But in a business of this nature, there is often a business guy; a money guy and an engineer guy. There has to be more than what we see.

There are those documents shown previously in the thread, there is an old Portuguese or Brazilian PDF about garbage compactors, for which Berenger Rouard apparently made the electric motor, and there are two people on employment websites who profess to have worked there previously. Neither of them have responded to our queries.

There is also a twenty-five year old article in a French industry magazine, about the French defense industry and its suppliers. Might be good, who knows... But, the article can't be seen. It is hidden behind a massive pop-up, outrageously expensive paywall-subscribe-now-to-read thing. Hm. So, click the stupid window down, press the back button, and THERE!! Right there, for just a brief half a second, the article is visible! Hmm.
So, I did the same thing again, but this time filmed the sequence with an iphone, selected the right frame, and bingo... there it is. Screenshot that, show it to a friend who filmed my screen using the automatic translate app, screenshotted that, and well now... Look at that. Bob is our uncle.

The article describes the basic aspects of some of the smaller businesses supplying the larger aeronautical companies in the area, and quotes a fellow who apparently was an exec at a state-owned aeronautical company, but branched off to form the Wxxx Company. He had also previously founded Berenger Rouard, to make components for racing cars.

Wait, what? Him?!

So, I dug into him, the Wxxx Company, ran them both through all the French Bureau of Commerce websites, compared notes, and... Yup.
This is him. This is the Money Guy.

Mr. Philippe R is the founder and president of the Berenger Rouard Company.
He is still alive, it seems. His name is not Rouard, or Berenger. He has been fairly active as a businessman, and owns two other companies, along with a handful of investors and board members, but seems to be a very low-key guy.... no internet or social media, companies have no websites, only a street address and phone number.

We would very much like to speak to him of course, so I asked a French speaking friend of mine to dial the number and ask for him.
Thoughtfully, she suggested that if this is an older man you are asking about a business thing that happened forty years ago, maybe a letter would be better?
And y'know, she is right. So, I will compose a letter and mail it, and hope it eventually finds him.

General thoughts:
I have deliberately left out the name of Mr Philippe and his investors and other companies, because it just isn't cool to out them. Their business is none of ours. This is a fishing reel forum, and until, or if, Mr Philippe can tell the story, that part ends here.

But, we still haven't found the link to the reels. BRC machine shop, aeronautics, defense, okay, cute. But somebody decided to make, of all things, big-game fishing reels. Who?
Bob, Clacker, is working the personal side of things, contacting clubs and so on. We hope something or someone comes of that.

By the way, Livinus: We have a French Tuna Club contact who would prefer to speak on the phone. Neither Bob or I can do that. Would you like to take over? I or Bob will PM you the details. Or for that matter, would you like to phone Mr Philippe? What do you think?

Attached is a document summarizing a board meeting at BRC. Note, that such documents are initialed. None of those signatures / initials match the signature on the brochure previously posted. One of those initials does match other documents that Mr Philippe has signed, so we know which one is his. And again, it is not the same as on the brochure.
So who is that on the brochure?
Of note is that neither the name L. Berenger or R. Rouard has yet turned up anywhere in any document or search. There is a possibility that they may not exist, and only gave name to the company because it sounded good. Or, they were the engineering part of the equation and had little to do with the business.

So, that is where we are so far.
I was sort of hoping that other forum members would be able to jump in and add more, but wow... this must be a very unusual reel indeed.

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Wow, Dr Rob, you are quite the sleuth. :bow:

Here's a thought on that pop-up issue you referenced if a similar scenario ever happens again:

If one was on a PC another option would be to press the "Print Screen" button, but one has to be quick, in that brief moment the subject is visible and then paste it into a word doc or onto paint page and save it.
Just a thought.
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