I am not sure if tihs is a possible solution? If a guest comes to our site for information on a reel or gear in general and is looking for information, price and so on, that we refuse to answer that question unless they become a member. Here is my thought, if you look at all the books available for use of identification, most have been authored by someone in our club or a similar organization. They took the time for research of all this gear and we are just giving it away in hopes to have a shot at buying before going to Ebay or a similar site. As far as I am concerned, join the club or buy a book, but don't ask a question and then use it against us and put it up for auction! I firmly stand behind shutting off the faucet of information. At least this way if it does go up for sale on Ebay, maybe it won't have a huge reserve on it do to the information we provided. After all, my time is worth something and if they are to lazy to make an investment in some time then screw them!
I am a member who has forgottem my sign in, sorry!
possible solution to info seekers!
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john elder
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Kevin: i certainly appreciate your sentiments. But the next step would be to close the site to the public, since they could get our (and I am being very kind to myself using "our") information as we banter about it all on the board. I would have to vote for continued open dialogue and just live by the "what goes around comes around" attitude and at the same time offer the newbies the opportunity of joining our little group. We have all ended up on the "goes around" part of that curve, but I for one have had plenty of "comes around" to more than make up for any perceived loss. As I've state earler, a high reserve just makes them look silly and lose bids...if it's a keeper, the bids will come..if it's not, the high reserve is certainly not going to bring anyone to the party!
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Harvey
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The secret to our success as collectors is information. What little knowledge that I have aquired didn't cost me a cent, only time. Sure, I have books and catalogues but they are not always written in stone. How many times have you read or looked at something in print and find out later that it is not true? Carl White's book is a good example. First hand knowledge is the best knowledge. If I am not sure about something, I am not afraid to ask questions. Why shouldn"t it be the same for others. As for guest coming here to gather information so they can enhance ther item on E-bay, what is wrong with that? I would much rather tell someone what they have and give them a brief discription than ignore them and see some other un-knowing person get screwed by thinking that the item is something it is not. And giving out your knowledge kinda makes you feel good, doesn't it.
John is correct. Even though the "goes arounds" sometimes out number the "comes", it will even out in the long run.
As for high reserves, I see that as a way for sellers either to protect their investment or make a killing. If it is way to high and they are trying to protect their investment, well, they gave too much for it in the beginning. If they are trying to make a killing, "a fool and his money are easily parted" if someone pays it.
That's my box and I am standin' on it!
"H"
John is correct. Even though the "goes arounds" sometimes out number the "comes", it will even out in the long run.
As for high reserves, I see that as a way for sellers either to protect their investment or make a killing. If it is way to high and they are trying to protect their investment, well, they gave too much for it in the beginning. If they are trying to make a killing, "a fool and his money are easily parted" if someone pays it.
That's my box and I am standin' on it!
"H"
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Reel Geezer
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One of the new aspects of the web site will be a book section in the ORCA Store. All members who have written books will be able to offer their books for sale through the ORCA Store, or have a referral directly to them.
Knowledgeable collectors should be able to answer questions as thoroughly as they wish, but will also be able to point the inquiree to a book that might answer their questions.
This new feature at the ORCA Store was approved by the ORCA Board last week. If you wrote a book and have not been contacted about offering it through the store, email Roger Schulz for more information. His email address can be found elsewhere on this site.
This is only one of many updates you will find on ORCA on line later this week.
Knowledgeable collectors should be able to answer questions as thoroughly as they wish, but will also be able to point the inquiree to a book that might answer their questions.
This new feature at the ORCA Store was approved by the ORCA Board last week. If you wrote a book and have not been contacted about offering it through the store, email Roger Schulz for more information. His email address can be found elsewhere on this site.
This is only one of many updates you will find on ORCA on line later this week.
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el Lawrence
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- Location: The TEXAS Hillcountry...
From what I have experienced we have gained more members and friends by education and sharing information here than we have raised prices on ebay... on the bay I have seen items with OVERPRICED reserves go un or under bid... only attracting realistic bids. What drives the price up there isn't a seller knowing what his item could be worth but far more often it is "CRAZY MONEY" bidders... some of whom are our members too I hate to say. When a reel that should be obtainable by most of our members as a part of our collections becomes a high price trophy and more an indicator of a fat bank account than an interest in a nice collection then the fault is at the door of ORCA members who collect at any cost NOT at ebay sellers that would like a fair price for a worthy item.
For my money give me a dozen low end collectors that will share information, help fellow members, be willing to give another member a reel for their collection and not worry about the almighty dollar or what each and every reel they own is worth... I value my reel friends over my reel collection.
I am reminded of a father and son that were touring the display area where I had reels on exhibit at the Columbia Lakes National... they looked and admired many valuable reels before coming to my Irish reel display, the father explained how he and his own Dad had fished with many similar reels; bait casters, surf and deep sea reels... many I know to be worth into the thousands of dollars. Then the son stopped at my Irish reels in their display case laid out on green felt... none worth over $200. an possibly some of the cheapest reels on display in the area... "WOW!" the son gasped looking at the trout and salmon reels by nearly unknown Irish makers... "NOW these are some EXPENSIVE OLD REELS! " The father proclaimed knowlagably, his son obviously impressed when the father told him they were most likely worth "Thousands of dollars...and very very old"
I didn't step in and distroy the sons impression that his Dad knew about old fishing equipment, nor correct them on the market value of Irish reels... At that moment my reels were priceless... I told the dad he and his son could collect similar reels if they were to keep their eyes open and go slow that very affordable ones would come along. And how joining ORCA would help him and his son find an interest they could enjoy together for years to come...
It is all too easy to loose site of why many of us collect... DO we enjoy sitting in a room full of horded reels for which we have paid far too much in order to keep it from another collector? No friends to come and view our collection? No one to swap and trade with? No one to ask an opinion of? OR do we enjoy the other collectors more than the reels? Someone that will feel good for you when you find a nice reel or get a good deal? Someone that will watch for a reel you need and give you a call when they find it? Someone that will take a reel out of their own collection and give it to a friend? Collectors that will beat the bushes for the part YOU need? Call when they hear of bad weather in your area to see if you are ok...
THAT is the kind of organization I plan to belong to. I don't see any need to charge for information that someone most likely passed along to us for free to start with. THAT isn't what drives reel prices up... Greedy hoarders who think there is some competition in the act of buying or bidding are the ones that drive price spikes or unsupported reel values. Sure the rare and hard to find will cost more... But if you want to keep prices where they should be don't bid items up higher than they are really worth. If you already own three resist the urge to bid crazy money for yet another just to keep it away from another collector... or to upgrade your collection offer to sell the reel you are replacing to someone you know doesn't have one themselves.
I think all of us get far more enjoyment from sharing in some way than we do from being a miser. Whether it is reels, information or time we share is of little concern... it is contact with other collectors that enriches OUR collection and ourselves.
For my money give me a dozen low end collectors that will share information, help fellow members, be willing to give another member a reel for their collection and not worry about the almighty dollar or what each and every reel they own is worth... I value my reel friends over my reel collection.
I am reminded of a father and son that were touring the display area where I had reels on exhibit at the Columbia Lakes National... they looked and admired many valuable reels before coming to my Irish reel display, the father explained how he and his own Dad had fished with many similar reels; bait casters, surf and deep sea reels... many I know to be worth into the thousands of dollars. Then the son stopped at my Irish reels in their display case laid out on green felt... none worth over $200. an possibly some of the cheapest reels on display in the area... "WOW!" the son gasped looking at the trout and salmon reels by nearly unknown Irish makers... "NOW these are some EXPENSIVE OLD REELS! " The father proclaimed knowlagably, his son obviously impressed when the father told him they were most likely worth "Thousands of dollars...and very very old"
I didn't step in and distroy the sons impression that his Dad knew about old fishing equipment, nor correct them on the market value of Irish reels... At that moment my reels were priceless... I told the dad he and his son could collect similar reels if they were to keep their eyes open and go slow that very affordable ones would come along. And how joining ORCA would help him and his son find an interest they could enjoy together for years to come...
It is all too easy to loose site of why many of us collect... DO we enjoy sitting in a room full of horded reels for which we have paid far too much in order to keep it from another collector? No friends to come and view our collection? No one to swap and trade with? No one to ask an opinion of? OR do we enjoy the other collectors more than the reels? Someone that will feel good for you when you find a nice reel or get a good deal? Someone that will watch for a reel you need and give you a call when they find it? Someone that will take a reel out of their own collection and give it to a friend? Collectors that will beat the bushes for the part YOU need? Call when they hear of bad weather in your area to see if you are ok...
THAT is the kind of organization I plan to belong to. I don't see any need to charge for information that someone most likely passed along to us for free to start with. THAT isn't what drives reel prices up... Greedy hoarders who think there is some competition in the act of buying or bidding are the ones that drive price spikes or unsupported reel values. Sure the rare and hard to find will cost more... But if you want to keep prices where they should be don't bid items up higher than they are really worth. If you already own three resist the urge to bid crazy money for yet another just to keep it away from another collector... or to upgrade your collection offer to sell the reel you are replacing to someone you know doesn't have one themselves.
I think all of us get far more enjoyment from sharing in some way than we do from being a miser. Whether it is reels, information or time we share is of little concern... it is contact with other collectors that enriches OUR collection and ourselves.
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Robin Sayler
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Personaly, i just joined orca not too long ago. I feel that if you guys hadn't been so helpful and gave me so much information i wouldnt have joined. Closing the doors to guests would hurt more than help i think. Its like test driving a car, your not going to buy it if it can' t do what you need it too. If i hadn't gotten so much useful help on the board here i wouldn't have even thought twice about joining. I posted for over a month before i joined got to know a couple people then joined.
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drexelantiques
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Kevin, I have to disagree. I am always happy to help someone if I can. I just hope that if they are going to sell the item, and it is something I want, they will give me the opportunity to buy it. That is not always the case. I was just blowing off a bit of steam in my post on the subject of helping folks, and being told to bid for it on eBay.
But I would rather help someone even if I don't get a chance at buying the item.
I think this site should be to help folks, whether they be collectors, buyers, or sellers.
If they become interested enough in collecting reels, then I hope we can welcome them to ORCA.
But I would rather help someone even if I don't get a chance at buying the item.
I think this site should be to help folks, whether they be collectors, buyers, or sellers.
If they become interested enough in collecting reels, then I hope we can welcome them to ORCA.
I agree, closing off the site to guests is completely opposite of what ORCA is about. I like to help people when I can but understandable that we may have to blow off some steam every now and then about those other unfortunate situations. Seems like I took the opportunity to do so also!
However, I've had the same experience as "L", in terms of meeting people over the phone, on-line and most of all, at the National - wonderful group of people. As for interacting with other members, I would have never have gotten to know the great people that may not take advantage of other forms of communication had I not met them in person.
However, I've had the same experience as "L", in terms of meeting people over the phone, on-line and most of all, at the National - wonderful group of people. As for interacting with other members, I would have never have gotten to know the great people that may not take advantage of other forms of communication had I not met them in person.
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el Lawrence
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Got a soap box and I just gotta use it 
Like it says in the intro to this site:
"The purpose of the Old Reel Collector’s Association, Inc. is education through the collection and distribution of historical and technical data regarding fishing reels, their development and their inventors and manufacturers from the earliest times through the present day. In order to enhance the knowledge of these subjects, the collection and preservation of examples of post production reels is to be encouraged for the benefit of present and future generations..."
Sure there are some folks that just are not really thinking when they decide to list on ebay and a few that abuse the good will of those that will help with ID and info. but let's not let them sour the whole barrel, same as I don't get steamed at everyone that wins a reel I would like (still reserve the right to shake my head at a few that I know already have a box full of them and way overbid though), but overall like "guy" above... the reason for joining is the friendship and way you are included by the other members. We shouldn't have to twist anyones arm to join... heck we pay for that privledge
Which reminds me I gotta get that renewal check out...
On the ebay discriptions and appraisals maybe that is a service that could be offered for minimal cost, (feel free to use or market this idea). Write the history blurb and give appraisal before they list... suggest the correct views for photos (why do they always show the least helpful view?) and have them include the right info. (numbers off the foot? Duh.) Sort of a listing-aid service... I don't imagine there is really a huge demand for it, but if there are folks being tapped all the time (I can see where someone in an antiques mall or sellling could be tapped a lot) they could say this is a service for charge on their own... I don't however think the organization should start that track... we should be more interested in cultivating a memeber or new collector.
Ok I will take my soapbox and go harp at someone about not smoking in the new year now... I have rambled enough on this one...
Like it says in the intro to this site:
"The purpose of the Old Reel Collector’s Association, Inc. is education through the collection and distribution of historical and technical data regarding fishing reels, their development and their inventors and manufacturers from the earliest times through the present day. In order to enhance the knowledge of these subjects, the collection and preservation of examples of post production reels is to be encouraged for the benefit of present and future generations..."
Sure there are some folks that just are not really thinking when they decide to list on ebay and a few that abuse the good will of those that will help with ID and info. but let's not let them sour the whole barrel, same as I don't get steamed at everyone that wins a reel I would like (still reserve the right to shake my head at a few that I know already have a box full of them and way overbid though), but overall like "guy" above... the reason for joining is the friendship and way you are included by the other members. We shouldn't have to twist anyones arm to join... heck we pay for that privledge
Which reminds me I gotta get that renewal check out...
On the ebay discriptions and appraisals maybe that is a service that could be offered for minimal cost, (feel free to use or market this idea). Write the history blurb and give appraisal before they list... suggest the correct views for photos (why do they always show the least helpful view?) and have them include the right info. (numbers off the foot? Duh.) Sort of a listing-aid service... I don't imagine there is really a huge demand for it, but if there are folks being tapped all the time (I can see where someone in an antiques mall or sellling could be tapped a lot) they could say this is a service for charge on their own... I don't however think the organization should start that track... we should be more interested in cultivating a memeber or new collector.
Ok I will take my soapbox and go harp at someone about not smoking in the new year now...
I have rambled enough on this one...
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reels4me,member
Soap Box rambling, etc.
Lola--your 'rambling' was perfect and to the point. As it has been mentioned I collect CBH reels(OLD), because to me they convey
a period in time that IMO was special in fishing, AND I only collect one
of each ! And sometimes I have paid more than reasonable because
that reel may never show up again, so far that is true and I am STILL
waiting to find a Wm.ShakespeareJr. 40yd. model "Perfect". or a
model "Intrinsic".
a period in time that IMO was special in fishing, AND I only collect one
of each ! And sometimes I have paid more than reasonable because
that reel may never show up again, so far that is true and I am STILL
waiting to find a Wm.ShakespeareJr. 40yd. model "Perfect". or a
model "Intrinsic".
I too joined ORCA because I asked a question about South Bend Reels and Jim Madden asnwered it (the guy that wrote the book!) and even sent me some info. I was really impressed, he did know me from Adam. How could I not join a group that treated me so nice. I always get the answer I need here. Thanks, Dan U
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Gabby
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I think it should be open
to the general public also, so lure collectors can come over here, find out about reels and make fun of reel collectors. Thats what makes this a great country.