First levelwind Pflueger Summit 2 different models???

[fishbugman]

I have reorganizing my reel collection and ran into two first levelwind model Pflueger Summits, but each has a different design. Both reels have cross hatch rim pattern, no grease port, no spare pawl port, no spool tension adjustment. Both reels have the amber pyralin handle knobs, early levelwind with large screw, single slot foot screws, end of levelwind on both reels are marked "Pflueger SUMMIT Trade Mark" with no number and inside of both rims marked "Patented April 3, 1923 Mar 30, 1926 Other Patents Pending". My first thought is that someone cobbled together one with incorrect parts, but that would leave the headcap rim without the cross hatch pattern. Are these reels both commonly known as the First levelwind Summit? I always thought there was only one pattern until post WWII. Please help if you can shed some light...Thanks, Richard Photos below I hope...

[Brian F.]

Richard, tried playing with the photos in your post and even copied/pasted the URL but can't find the server your using. Maybe email them to me and I can post them for you?

[Teal]

Bob Miller where are you? Bob should be able to answer your summit question.

By the way, have just finished reading a draft of Bob Miller's upcoming book on the Pflueger Supreme...OH MY GOD. Pflueger collectors (and Supreme maniacs) will go absolutely crazy for this. It is the single most comprehensive book ever written on a single model of fishing reel, and most of the information has not been available save for Bob's brain.

People will be stunned at how great this book is going to be.

Cheers,

Dr. Todd

[RAM]

Yo Fishbugman-May have missed something here. Where is the difference between the two? The first LW Summit came out in 1927 (possibly late 1926). It had the cross hatch pattern you refer to and 2 pat. dates. The next version came out in late 1927 or early 1928 and had three patent dates (same cross hatch). Mike Durham's cataloging of the Summit appears in my Pflueger Pfacts article in the Spring 1999 Reel News. Could sure use some pics of your reels here. Bad Bob (with pfacts that don't always hold up but who welcomes new hard data!)

[Phantom Fisher]

Here are Richard's pictures:



Can't dig them out right now, but also I remember having at least two different versions of the plain-faced amber-knobbed Summit.

[Steve]

Don't know if RAM would agree, but the Summit on the left looks more like the design patent drawing to me than the one on the right. The application was submitted in 3/1927, so they might have used that design at first, then switched to the design with the "higher wave amplitudes," even before making the model with 3 patent dates.

[RAM]

I am inclined to agree with you, Steve-up to a point. I have not seen the one on the left before, so I'm guessing it is older. But it does not match the drawing shown in the Design Patent. There the troughs of the waves make a distinct V, the crests are curvy. On the above photo the waves are uniformly "curvey". Now here is something else I never noticed. In the 50s when the lefty Summit came out a third wave pattern appeared-the crests make a peak, but the troughs are curvey. Interesting! What other subtle wave patterns are there? Did they change with the wind currents? Inquiring minds want to know! Bad Bob, confused in Nashville

[Steve]

For all those inquiring minds:

[fishbugman]

Sorry for the delay in responding and thanks for all the information everyone. Fishing has been red hot here in San Diego, limits of yellowtail with lots of albacore and blue fin mixed in with 15 miles of boat dock. MY arms and back are sore...

So, there are two distinctly different 1st model levelwind Summits. I like to make it sound like a statement, but it is more of a question? I guess someone will end up designating one as the 1st and the other as 2nd and then bumping old #2 to #3 and so on?

If anyone could make us all jealous, please post a photo of a real 1st model non-levelwind Summit.

[RAM]

Richard-I can send a pic of the first non-levelwind Summit, but what makes us jealous is a guy who complains because he is sore from catching so many great fish! Rest up, poor chap! I still feel the one on the left is the first LW model. Bad Bob