Old Fishing Stuff February Edition & eBay Report

[Reel Geezer]

I have just posted the February Edition of Old Fishing Stuff, including the eBay Report. There are some articles and updates that should be of interest to ORCA members. You can check out the site here:
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[SWIM JIG]

Phil, your (reel) is gone only a x in the box! Please put the reel back, as its helpful to me as I cant READ! ha ha Col. M. Lorens aka SWIM JIG

[Len Sawisch]

... and I really enjoyed the editorial on NFLCC. Well worth the read, and the thought! Power comes from sharing, not hording knowledge.

Thanks Phil!

[Roger Schulz]

I would encourage all our members (ORCA) and also NFLCC to read Phil's editorial. It hits a lot of issues on the head and brings them out in the open for discussion.

Roger

[Brian F.]

I've been contemplating not renewing my NFLCC membership, even before I saw the posts on Joes and reading Phil's commentary. I can't attend shows, don't receive many tackle lists nowadays and, maybe because of my own lack of initiative, don't make use of the directory to make more contacts for new reels. So my original reason for joining (adding to my collection) seems obsolete.

However, I do like the info presented in the periodicals we get as members. The issues mentioned by Phil and others don't sound good at all. Maybe the magazines are worth the dues but the negatives are beginning to outweigh the positives.

[Richard Lodge]

Phil: Excellent editorial on your Web site about the NFLCC. I've never joined, partly because it felt like a pretty closed group and mostly because ORCA suited by interests and needs. Your editorial really got to the heart of the problems of the NFLCC, in attitude, secrecy and what seems to be "my way or the highway" view of things. It's mind-boggling that the organization has as much as $400,000 in the bank, yet members don't seem to be demanding (or aren't being heard, if they do) that the money be spent to defray the cost of being in the club; for educational programs to advance members' knowledge and enjoyment; and improving the publications available from the club. I'd love to be a fly on the wall if/when the club gets audited. What kind of fly? Maybe a "Cowdung."
Thanks again for the always interesting and information ebay report, too.

[SWIM JIG]

OK , I generaly end up with a rusty hook in my mouth, however as we all realise, both clubs have their merrits, and as in both clubs there are those that must attract attention, do their share of bragging, wont get a Handle on things, dont study as much, are set in their ways( me included) and would complain if they got hit on the big toe with a solid Gold lure or REEL! this is a idea that works, I have convinced NFLCC members to join ORCA, Mike wholever of Amherst is one , I wont mention all as I dont have their permission, I too belong to both orginizations, and each has its merrits, and with all clubs of any kind there are a few members that have their own circle, so be it, however could it be that they would like to be noticed! and also be a spoke in the larger wheel? I will give you reasons I belong to both! One I like the photos of lures, and the color pics, and some of the stories that are wrote by ORCA Members as well as NFLCC Members, this makes for well rounded and deversified person, It also gives us a much Larger list of people to trade with, ie I may have a lure I dont need or want, they may have a reel I dont need or want, Now comes a posible trade, and if a member of both Clubs I would hope the LURE person will be honest in the description of the reel, I too would be expected to be honest in the lure I want to trade! NOT LIKE EBAYS FLEA MARKET , I dont beleve members of either club will do wrong with a meber of the other club, I think its safer to do business with club members! As for the basshing, we all must stop it, or just ignor those bashers , they soon go away or earn their right of reception!, Now before You all send me rusty reels and fish hooks, I will get off the gunnels of the boat before it tips over! Brian, I dont get to all the shows, never done a National NFLCC show I do attend local and reginal shows when time and distance permits, I like to read articles from Dan bassore and Bob Miller etc and see what goes on in the lure world, heck I fish with lures, and lures were made to catch FISHERMANS pocket books, and snag a fish once in a while, People please dont stop enjoying thigs because a few want to ruin it for a majority! Col. milton Lorens aka SWIM JIG

[Harvey]

Thanks, Phil, for your insight into the NFLCC. I, like Brian, believe that they have recieved my last dues. Since the infusion of the internet, it seems to me that the NFLCC has imploaded upon it's self. It is a shame that the younger, more liberal guys can't take control and make it good for everybody. Thanks again for being the one that will climb upon the stump and voice your opinions. It is kinda funny that when someone brings up a subject as you did and it gets posted on Joe's or here, the people that have the answers seem to run and hide. I had the upmost respect for Warren Platte when he offered to answer tuff questions on Joe's about the inside operations of the NFLCC and the only who stood by his side was himself. He even admitted that he couldn't get answers from Drew and the boys and he is a RVP. When I put my two cents worth in, I got some nasty e-mails from some who thought that asking questions and questioning askers was in some way not the proper thing to do. I was taught that when you want to know something, just ask. It doesn't work that way with some people. Oh well, I guess that is why I label myself as a Reel collector first and a lure collector just to break the bordom of not finding Shakespeare reels that I want or need.
Thanks again for the courage to stand up for something that ain't right!
Harvey

(that's a three bow salute!)

[john elder]

hmmmm, let's see...OLAORCA? OFTCA? maybe a bit of base broadening here would find a following!

[Reel Geezer]

Please realize that this editorial was not about quitting the NFLCC. I was just trying to point out things that I see as real problems with that group. I have been an NFLCC member for over 20 years, and have written quite a few articles for the Gazette. I believe that they should make some changes, and have believed that since the day I first joined. Based on the email response I have received, there are a lot of collectors out there that have given up on the NFLCC. Just don't let ORCA get to that state.

[SWIM JIG]

Phil, first off your (reel) is back! Ok, one way to keep ORCA from falling into the confusion NFLCC is in is to keep all ORCA MEMBERS involved ! And to promote ORCA at evey oppertunity we get, We as members MUST REMEMBER ( to the colector all reels are important be it ZEBCOS ( Look What paul done with his work on ZEBCOS) and no I have not seen or heard from paul in a year, no answere on his phone either. We must all stay subjective, and I see that at the Shows I have attended, we need to keep our members in the spot lite help when we can, and not make it a High Paying position for just a few as NFLCC gas done! Heck I guess thats why ORCA was formed in the first place, to stop the power hungry ones from their dictatorship that some at NFLCC do have. I ran into the poer play at the PEGION FORGE SHOW in 2000! Their attitude was (we are BOSS) you are slaves) KEPT us waiting in the cold to sign up, only allowed the public in on SAT. you couldnt sell to the public without giving money to NFLCC or risk beeing thrown out of the Club, ETC ETC ETC, I met a lot of nice FOLKS there and Paul Windstead and I had a decent time trading with other members, HOWEVER their policy about non members is in my thoughts very WRONG! They seem to descourage new membership! ( TO cure that is easy, one start to write articles in the NFLCC book, attend a show and DEMAND A VOTE by members and stand up to the (in CROWD) And as on this post site COULD THEY stand a AUDIT? and at what point will they lose their non Proffitt status? The GOV. is very picky about that status! lets all of us members of both Clubs aggree to write to their editor articles to be printed, keep a copy for yourselfs and remember (you cant be suied for asking a QUESTION unless malice is proven! ITS posible new people are needed on their board, Doc HERR is gone FRED KERR is getting OLDER, sooooo its up to you younger members to help make a change or NFLCC as it headed now will colapse within 10 years! I see both types of orginizations are needed , REELs etc for us REEL CRANKS and LURES for the lure folks, and they need to be separate clubs as some people are more involved in one phase to a greater degree. Phil when I met you at pigeon Forge in 2000, I totaly enjoyed your words to me, so you have made a great impresion on what to put back into the ORCA and to somewhat NFLCC, I leaned more towards ORCA, Respectfuly Col. M. Lorens aka SWIM JIG