Large Luxor Spinning Reel

m3040c · Post by **m3040c** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 8:24 pm

After I finish my questions about this Luxor I will post 6 pictures. I do know a whole lot about spinning reels. Especially French ones, so here's some questions about this big guy in hopes of some experts or almost experts can come to my aid.

This is a heavy reel which is very similar to my Crack 300 in design and size. There are some major differences that raise questions in my mind.

First, should this reel have a bail rather than the manual pick up it has? My Crack 300 has a full bail.

Second, my Crack 300 has no holes in the spool or spool housing but this Luxor does. The holes in the Luxor are placed perfectly for drainage of the reel during surf fishing but I do not know if those holes are original or done afterward by a previous owner. Does anyone know if the holes in the housing and spool are put there by Luxor or not?

Third and this is the tacky question. Would someone venture a guess as to the value of this reel? A friend has had this reel in his garage for years and asked me if I would sell it for him. Of course I agreed and now need help with information.

Thank you all in advance for any response.

Of course, if someone here is interested in purchasing this reel please do not hesitate to email me about it.

snoekjaeger · Post by **snoekjaeger** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:12 am

Hi,

First the history, (early) LUXOR reels were all designed by Paul Mauborgne. He had them made under his supervision by a company called LLM. LLM delivered the reels to Pezon et Michel that provided the boxes, did the marketing and distribution. The NAME Luxor was owned by Pezon et Michel. The technical patents were owned by Mauborgne.

A little after Mauborgne died the Mauborgne family separated from Pezon et Michel in 1967/68.

The Mauborgne family continued making technically the same reels under the name CRACK.

Pezon et Michel continued using the name LUXOR for different reels (the square Luxor Nr.1 e.g.), as they did not have the rights to the technical part, only the name !

I can write 200 pages on Crack and Luxor but that won't help you.
So about your large size Luxor, it's the older version of the later Crack 300.

Called Luxor Saumon-Mer (Salmon-Ocean)

First version 1940 half-bail, knurd. handle knob, also with Manual p/u
Marked "LUXOR SAUMON MER PEZON ET MICHELL MADE IN FRANCE"

Second version 1949 full bail now with marking "LICENSE P MAUBORGNE"
also available in manual p/u version, sold as Surfcasting

Third version 1954 handle can be folded, also available in manual p/u version, sold as Surfcasting

Fourth version from 1955 - till ? different a/r knob, different handle, also MPU version first marked "A",

Fifth version from ? till 1959 marked "B"

Fifth version from 1960 till 1967 now marked "C"

That's it !

The Crack 300 was made from 1968.
About 5 or 6 different versions exists
First versions marked Bernouville sur Eure (Bernouville is the name of the place were the Mauborgne family lived, Eure is a river).
Versions with manual pick-up marked 300S

Jean-Paul
from Belgium

m3040c · Post by **m3040c** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:55 am

hello Jean-Paul,

Thank you very much for all the information. You answered many questions.

Mike C.

snoekjaeger · Post by **snoekjaeger** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 12:57 pm

I forgot to mention the versions with manual pick-up were referred as Surfcasting models.

The manual pick-up design changed as follows :
- first version : the manual pick-up fixture was rivetted to the cup
- second version : the manual pick-up fixture was moulded to the cup

They followed the other design changes like the full bail models (handles etc)

The last Surfcasting model was also available with a nylon conical shaped spool for longer casting. These spools were made by the same company that made the Bobinyl spools for the Mitchell 498 (ofcourse the ones for the Luxor Saumon-Mer were non-skirted Bobinyl spools)

I will make a picture of mine and post it here.

Jean-Paul
from Belgium

snoekjaeger · Post by **snoekjaeger** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:02 pm

Here's a pic of the Bobinyl spool for the Luxor Saumon Mer
I am currently doing a study on these spools as I believe they were made in Belgium by a company called ATECOM in Antwerp.
Most know are the Bobinyl spools for the Mitchell 498 and Silver Daiwa 7000C

If anyone has some of these or other models please let me know, I'm especially interested in the patent numbers moulded in them !

m3040c · Post by **m3040c** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:47 pm

I am impressed Jean-Paul. I would like to ask one more question. Although, at this point, you have given me so much info that I may offer my friend some money and keep the reel myself. The question I have is about the holes in the spool and spool housing. Are they original?

snoekjaeger · Post by **snoekjaeger** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:04 pm

The holes in the spool should be original, it's only with the Crack-line of reels that non-holed spools were supplied (for the Crack 300).

But I am not sure about the holes underneath the cup however. I can't really remember having seen these before, but I have sold/traded all my large Luxors a long time ago.

Close inspection could reveal if they are original or not, the finish of the Luxors (especially the later ones) can not be copied or simply repainted, as it was a special process, if one had drilled holes in it that would remain visible by looking at the edge of these holes, do they have the same finish as the rest of the reel ?

One more word about the very very early version 1940, this was actually a half-bail model, and also available with a manual pick-up. This should be added to the line-up above. This manual pick-up was also moulded to the cup but very different from the later version (like yours), it was very much the same fixture as the half-bail model but a mpu was attached.

Jean-Paul

Post by **Brian F.** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:46 pm

I also had a couple of Luxors a while back and couldn't recall seeing those holes in the cup. I have a feeling they were indeed added by someone.

m3040c · Post by **m3040c** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:45 pm

By using my keen sense of being able to read (maybe someday I will even learn to spell), I deduce that this reel is a 1949 Second version with a manual pick up because it has the "License P Mauborne" markings and it does not have a folding handle, with this handle you have to loosen the handle screw and turn it around.

The holes in the cup are not original most likely. I looked at the inside edges of the holes and they do not have the finish that the rest of the reel has. They are bare metal. Although they are drilled and spaced as though an Aircraft Mechanic did the job. The hole spacing and edge distance of each hole is as good as a Factory job.

Thank you all very much for all the input. I needed help on this one.

snoekjaeger · Post by **snoekjaeger** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 4:32 pm

Hello,
Sorry but that is not correct.
Your reel is marked C, making it a sixth version made from 1960 till 1967
(in the Surfcasting version of that one).
The handle can be folded, you need to unscrew the screw at the end, the handle can be folded for storage.
The marking License Mauborgne can be found on all models as from the second version on.
Jean-Paul

m3040c · Post by **m3040c** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:48 pm

I just knew it. My keen ability to read is as good as my inability to spell.

Anyways, now we're talking.

I can represent this reel as what it is and that is the way I like to sell something. I just knew joining this club was a good idea.

snoekjaeger · Post by **snoekjaeger** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:00 pm

An early Luxor Saumon Mer Surfcasting is currently offered on Ebay
Cfr. object number 120069862651
This is the second type manual pick-up (rivetted to the spoolcup)
Very rare reel, especially with the box and everything
Jean-Paul

m3040c · Post by **m3040c** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:34 pm

Thanks Jean-Paul, I am on my way to EBay.

m3040c · Post by **m3040c** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:44 pm

broken ... 62651&rd=1

Well I see what you mean. The spool is drilled and the cup is not, the manual pick up is riveted and I now understand about the type handle. You are "On the Money" Mr. Jean-Paul, thank you for all your assistance. That is some auction, there are five days left and the reel already has 18 bids on it and is up over $250 American.

I know this is not the place for EBay stuff but I thought I would included the link anyway. Sorry Brian for the crossover.

Mike C.

snoekjaeger · Post by **snoekjaeger** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:16 pm

Mike,

I have scanned pictures of the first 3 versions of the Luxor Saumon Mer,
pics of each in version with bail and version with manual pick-up, 6 pics in total showing what I was trying to explain here above. I can mail you the pics if you like, just let me know your email adress at
Or anyone else that is interested can mail me to ofcourse.
I do not wish to post the pics here as they are scans from a pretty recent book...

The reels showing are :
- version 1 with half-bail, moulded
- version 1 with MPU (Surfcaster), moulded
- version 2 with full-bail, rivetted
- version 2 with MPU (Surfcaster), rivetted
- version 3 with full-bail, moulded
- version 3 with MPU (Surfcaster), moulded

PS : the moulded fixtures in version 1 and version 3 are not the same

Jean-Paul

Lillawill · Post by **Lillawill** » Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:29 pm

Hi Jean-Paul

I have a Daiwa 7000C silver series and the stamped serial number is
K20120-31.

Bill T.

bunny6237 · Post by **bunny6237** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 9:32 pm

The holes in the spool are factory. I recently sold such a spool. I had three Crack 300's and one Luxor. I've sold all of them and averaged about $75.00 each. I can't help you with the holes in the rotor cup my model didn't have any.

bunny6237 - John

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