The First Penn 4/0-------1938

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The First Penn 4/0-------1938

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For John Elder and anyone else interested,

The Penn 4/0 was introduced in 1938, in my opinion it did not sell well because of the $17.50 price, this was a expensive reel during the Depression and there were many other alternatives for the saltwater fisherman for this size reel at a much lower price. In my search for first generation Penn Senators, the 4/0 has been one of the most difficult to find.

This scan is from the #6 Penn catalog which is the 1938 issue:
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Last year I bought a large collection and in that collection was a early Penn Senator Lighthouse box for a 113--4/0, the box was empty but I knew where the reel was to fill it. A close friend and fellow Penn collector had found it on EBay recently and won it at a under $50 price but he would not part with it. I offered triple what he paid but there were other things he wanted to trade, so I had to find something that would soften him to a trade. Eventually I found a mint, first generation Penn 9/0 with the hard to find Rosewood handle and that inspired him to make the trade with me.

Now they are together again. A interesting point is that in 1938 the 4/0 was introduced but also was the Lighthouse box. So this pair has more than one first:
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There are a number of ways to identify this early Penn Senator 4/0, the most obvious is the handle. That is what stood out in the EBay listing but the logo is also unique to the early 4/0, as is the configuration of the side plate. This early Penn has the double bar logo, it can be seen in the catalog drawing and here it is on the reel, the handle is the hourglass shaped resin type handle and the bridge assembly is mounted forward of the vertical certerline of the side plate (only early pre 1948 Senators are built this way):
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There is more. The spool is German Silver with chrome plating and the spindle is drilled. Another sign that this is the earliest design.
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But lets keep going. The first type clicker button Penn used on its production reels was the waffle style clicker button. Except that Penn did not use this style on the Senators. When the 9/0 was introduced in 1936 it had a Hershey Kiss style button (the first showing of this button on a Penn reel as far as I know). As far as I have found the 4/0 is the only Senator to ever have used this style clicker. It looks to me to be sort of out of place on a Senator but here it is:
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And lastly, of course there are no part number markings on the reel and the bottom of the stand is blank. This is how the earliest Penn reels were all made. In the late 1930's the line capacity was stamped on the bottom of many Penn reels but this 4/0's stand is blank. Another clue that this is a very early 4/0.
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So there it is John. My estimation is that it is a 1938. Am I 100% on this :?: No, but I very pretty secure about calling it a 1938, especially when I add the 1938 #6 catalog to it which I have done but not pictured.
The added attraction to this find was that the reel is mint. Why it is I do not know, but it is. I suspect this reel to have sat on a shelf somewhere for a very long time. it is not a ""10"" but it is very nice for a 70 year old Penn.

Early Penn reels are very special, there are thousands of Penn reels on the market but very few really special ones. In my opinion, this is a milestone Penn reel.

I hope you all enjoyed my post.
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Post by Jim Wiegner »

Mike:

As always, your sermon on Penn is a winner. Great photos and excellent information. Otto and Martha would be pleased with your attention to detail. A very enjoyable read.

And by the way, we just returned home from a visit with friends up in Rochester (Irondequoit), New York. Wonderful people there, and some of the greatest Italian grub we've ever tasted. Great delicatessens and bakeries too. You folks know your stuff back there!

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Mike,
If I were editor of the Reel News I would sure be printing out this post for an article. I hope that you and Richard can get together and put this type of detail in print so that it would be easier to find and will last a bit longer than most stuff that appears on message boards. You know how many regular contributors and viewers we have here, but we have 800+ ORCA members who might like to see that type of information.
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Hello Jim and Phil,

Thank you both for the kind words. I would be willing to write a Penn article for the Reel News, as long as the word Deadline is not in the offer. I am very busy and hate making promises I can not keep but I am willing to stay up late if I am wanted. Late to me is watching the sun rise. I am a night worker (and a day businessman, at least I like to think so). :roll:
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Mike...let me add my thanks and second the Geez's comment re doing a Reel News article. Having now hacked a couple of them out, I can tell you that you just need a couple more paragraphs and a happy face or two and you're already done! It's mostly about the pics, methinks...and they are really boffo!

Oh...and a timeline table! That's a priceless add for anyone trying to keep it all straight!
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:) Thanks John
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some questions!!

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:) 8) :?: :idea: :type: usa, Mike , you state the handle is a resien? will that handle become gummi or soft in oils, cleaning solutions? or would it be best to use dishwashing liquid like Ivory Liquid? next will other Penn sidplates fit this body? the reason for this question is had a side plate broke is it posible if put on this model what other ways is there to teel if a repalced plate or other parts on the (1938) would it still be a 1938 type!? Reason for this there may be several out there our members may find however no relize its a 1938 type with a upgrade plate etc! also can the handle interchange with another handle!? And last about how many of these in this modle did PENN make and sell? lets hope other members will find some , Col. Milton lorens aka swim jig of ohio
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Post by ReelMan1988 »

That is a very nice Penn 4/0 congrats on getting it. We still are looking in on getting a Penn Blue lighthouse box!
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